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how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM
The main reason they are wrong is most of them are trying to use science to prove their personal politics and the bend science to fit. The IQ test must be invalid because it shows some races are smarter then other races. They can argue the women make as good distance runners as men but they can't argue that women actually win any major distance running events.

There is more to sports then strength so it should be easy for you to point out the sport where both sexes compete and women do as well at the professional level. NASCAR is the only one I can think of but I am sure you can do better.

I don't know why men are better at math but if you won't accept the simple fact that men do better on math test then I really don't think it is possible to convince you since facts seem to be ruled out. I would assume the argument that it is a field dominated by men is irrelevant as well? Doesn’t mean a woman can not be very good at math but it does mean that attempts to get woman to parity in the field may be misguided. If you have to handicap them then it is hard to argue they are equal.
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~never mind~ *NM* *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 755 Views
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*NM* - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 618 Views
What Rebekah said... - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1105 Views
Me too! - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1192 Views
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I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1094 Views
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I think all of that makes sense - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1169 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1087 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1079 Views
men have more physical strength period - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1098 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1091 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1084 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1151 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1050 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1131 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1025 Views
I'm trying to understand your position - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1099 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1035 Views
Now you've got it. - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1188 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 604 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1082 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1129 Views
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What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 996 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1144 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1130 Views
oops - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1157 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1049 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1275 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1239 Views
I would also like to say this: - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1106 Views
Of course - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1145 Views
Re: Of course - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1140 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1158 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1151 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1068 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1125 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1138 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1133 Views
No - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1044 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1008 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1127 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1118 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1157 Views
Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1154 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1147 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1062 Views
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Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1082 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1160 Views
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It really doesn't surprise me - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1121 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1154 Views
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I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1149 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1108 Views
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Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1085 Views
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I was being a tad bit trollish with my title - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1051 Views
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they never mention their study methods - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1133 Views
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Seriously *NM* - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 601 Views
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that part would be great - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1124 Views
I could do it every day. - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1038 Views
Me too... - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1171 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1141 Views
They do. - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1083 Views
read further up the thread - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1164 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1175 Views
I feel I have that choice. - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1097 Views
They most certainly do. - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1221 Views
This sounds awful to me. - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1125 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1135 Views
Yikes. - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1111 Views

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