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It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM
My big life ambition is to be a mother and housewife, yet when I tell some women this, they look like I'm insane and tell me that I am allowed a career.

To those women I say this: freedom of choice in this realm of life also means the choice to stay at home and raise a family.

It's crazy how that choice is looked down on today.


I agree with you that freedom of choice should include broader choices than just what we might pick for ourselves. Women should be able to feel supported by other women/feminists whether they want to have a paid job and have kids, have a paid job and not have kids, or have kids and not have a paid job. But whichever of those groups you fall into, you are likely to be getting judged harshly by some women who fall into either of the others.

If you are from Betelgeuse, please have one of your Earth friends read what I've written before you respond. Or try concentrating harder.

"The trophy problem has become extreme."
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2093 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1170 Views
I don't trust the figures. - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1185 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1188 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1182 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1181 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1175 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1114 Views
It's not just that choice though. - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1230 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 633 Views
For you maybe. - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1168 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1128 Views
Well. - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1208 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1169 Views
all 25 of them? - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1112 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1141 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1027 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1060 Views
it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1093 Views
Re: it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1114 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 674 Views
- 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1083 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1182 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1195 Views
In addition... - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1075 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1068 Views
Another one? - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1087 Views
Re: Another one? - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1129 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 729 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1190 Views
not to mention - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1121 Views
In addition - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1066 Views
you don't want kids? - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1069 Views
bleck - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1085 Views
again not the vibe I get from you - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1068 Views
Hehe. - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1116 Views
Not selfish. - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1078 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1139 Views
Poor Aeryn - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1065 Views
I replied before she edited - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1014 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1110 Views
Certainly. *NM* - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 671 Views
The primary issue... - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1044 Views
*NM* - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 601 Views
What Rebekah said... - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1054 Views
Me too! - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1137 Views
Re: Me too! - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1132 Views
I have a fiancee like that. - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1069 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1051 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1182 Views
I think all of that makes sense - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1114 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1028 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1025 Views
men have more physical strength period - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1043 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1022 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1081 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 999 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1078 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 975 Views
I'm trying to understand your position - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1028 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 991 Views
Now you've got it. - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1136 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 582 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1031 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1068 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1074 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 952 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1074 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1077 Views
oops - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1113 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 986 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1224 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1180 Views
I would also like to say this: - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1051 Views
Of course - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1087 Views
Re: Of course - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1079 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1105 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1081 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1013 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1053 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1064 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1077 Views
No - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 992 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 960 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1062 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1058 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1092 Views
Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1097 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1090 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1017 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1047 Views
Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1028 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1097 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 598 Views
It really doesn't surprise me - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1065 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1091 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1104 Views
Well put. *NM* - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 587 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1106 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1056 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2075 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1029 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1094 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1029 Views
Gotcha. - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1030 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 996 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 999 Views
they never mention their study methods - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1085 Views
Gosh, look what you started. - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1078 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 613 Views
Seriously *NM* - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 584 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1087 Views
that part would be great - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1055 Views
I could do it every day. - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 973 Views
Me too... - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1107 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1082 Views
They do. - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1024 Views
read further up the thread - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1102 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1118 Views
I feel I have that choice. - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1044 Views
They most certainly do. - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1151 Views
This sounds awful to me. - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1063 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1085 Views
Yikes. - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1055 Views

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