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What women REALLY want: To marry a rich man and stay at home with the children


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1345520/What-women-REALLY-want-To-marry-rich-man-stay-home-children.html#ixzz1AkinKYi8

Most women still prefer to marry a man who earns more money than they do and would stay at home with their children if they could afford it, according to a survey published yesterday.

Despite years of equality campaigning and advances for women in the workplace, 64 per cent said they aspire to find a husband who brings home a larger pay packet than they do. None wanted to marry a man who earned less.

And 69 per cent said they would prefer to stay at home to look after their children if money were not an issue.

Only 19 per cent wanted their other half to be better educated than they are. Instead 62 per cent said they wanted a man to have the same level of intellect.

Thirty-one per cent thought they were better educated than their other halves, while 19 per cent thought their husbands were better educated.

The survey follows controversial research published last week by Dr Catherine Hakim of the London School of Economics, which claimed more women are choosing to ‘marry up’ by picking wealthy men for their spouse than in the 1940s. In her report, published by the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, she said men dominate the top positions because women do not want careers in business.

She also criticised David Cameron for backing the idea of quotas to ensure that leading companies appointed more women to their boards.

The research, which drew on existing data from Britain and Spain, showed that 20 per cent of British women married husbands with a significantly better education than their own in 1949.



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By the 1990s, the percentage of women deciding to ‘marry up’ had climbed to 38 per cent – with a similar pattern repeated in the rest of Europe, the U.S. and Australia.

The report concluded that equal roles in the family, where husband and wife shared employment, childcare and housework, was ‘not the ideal sought by most couples’.

Now a YouGov survey of 922 women, aged between 18 and 65, which was conducted for the Sunday Times last week, has backed Dr Hakim’s claims.

It comes after a series of measures announced by the Coalition intended to decrease the pay difference between women and men.

Of the women polled by YouGov, 62 per cent said their husbands earned more than them. Only 16 per cent earned more than their husbands while 18 per cent earned the same. Four per cent said they didn’t know what their husbands earned.



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Fifty-nine per cent said they felt pressurised by society to go out to work.

More than a third – 37 per cent – said they disagreed with the Prime Minister’s plans to force businesses to appoint a ‘quota’ of women onto their boards.

Dr Hakim said: ‘Research evidence consistently shows that most husbands are the main bread winners in their family and that most mothers would prefer not to have competing demands of family work and paid jobs.

‘Mostly women like raising kids and mostly fathers are not that keen on doing it full-time. Social, structural and cultural forces are in place that mean if a man doesn’t have a full-time job he’ll have people looking down on him.’

But some experts disagree and instead claim financial constraints dictate that most women cannot afford the luxury of choosing, as Dr Hakim suggests, between work and raising their children.

Professor Jude Browne, director of Cambridge University’s Centre for Gender Studies, added: ‘For most families seeking to balance childcare and work there is no real choice unless you are very wealthy.

‘We do need more policy provision and it should be focused on, for example, adequately paid parental leave (as opposed to just maternity leave) and more affordable childcare.’

The feminist movement needs to focus on what the majority of women actually want not what they think they should want.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2154 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1232 Views
I don't trust the figures. - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1255 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1264 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1242 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1243 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1245 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1183 Views
It's not just that choice though. - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1307 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 659 Views
For you maybe. - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1237 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1204 Views
Well. - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1265 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1236 Views
all 25 of them? - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1196 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1239 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1095 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1120 Views
it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1170 Views
Re: it is nuanced - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1173 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 699 Views
- 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1149 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1261 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1269 Views
In addition... - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1136 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1127 Views
Another one? - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1163 Views
Re: Another one? - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1189 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 759 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1249 Views
not to mention - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1199 Views
In addition - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1142 Views
you don't want kids? - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1118 Views
bleck - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1143 Views
again not the vibe I get from you - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1120 Views
Hehe. - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1173 Views
Not selfish. - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1162 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1208 Views
Poor Aeryn - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1133 Views
I replied before she edited - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1081 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1183 Views
Certainly. *NM* - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 696 Views
The primary issue... - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1108 Views
*NM* - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 624 Views
What Rebekah said... - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1113 Views
Me too! - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1202 Views
Re: Me too! - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1204 Views
I have a fiancee like that. - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1121 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1103 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1275 Views
I think all of that makes sense - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1175 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1105 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1086 Views
men have more physical strength period - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1110 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1118 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1162 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1056 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1143 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1035 Views
I'm trying to understand your position - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1108 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1046 Views
Now you've got it. - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1196 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 608 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1093 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1136 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1158 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1004 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1152 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1145 Views
oops - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1169 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1062 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1287 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1247 Views
I would also like to say this: - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1121 Views
Of course - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1155 Views
Re: Of course - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1148 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1169 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1164 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1074 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1135 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1150 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1141 Views
No - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1051 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1014 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1144 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1130 Views
Re: No - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1171 Views
Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1161 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1154 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1079 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1111 Views
Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1088 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1178 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 618 Views
It really doesn't surprise me - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1135 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1169 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1163 Views
Well put. *NM* - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 611 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1155 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1119 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2150 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1093 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1155 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1099 Views
Gotcha. - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1090 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1059 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1060 Views
they never mention their study methods - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1142 Views
Gosh, look what you started. - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1142 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 635 Views
Seriously *NM* - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 605 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1165 Views
that part would be great - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1133 Views
I could do it every day. - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1068 Views
Me too... - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1186 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1153 Views
They do. - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1093 Views
read further up the thread - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1176 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1183 Views
I feel I have that choice. - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1107 Views
They most certainly do. - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1231 Views
This sounds awful to me. - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1138 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1141 Views
Yikes. - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1123 Views

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