"Undiplomatic" is one thing, "inflammatory" quite another.
Joel Send a noteboard - 07/01/2011 11:51:03 PM
I would also hazard a guess that a lot of the extreme reactions to my "undiplomatic" posting style come from some of you being raised this way.
I've never been shy about expressing my views on the CMB, but I miss the days when I was able to be firm and clear without being belligerent. There's such a thing as respectfully disagreeing and, while I'm not directing this at you or any other individual, picking fights is frequently symptomatic of the second thing I referenced in my own thoughts on the article: Society will never tolerate an individuals vandalism, antagonism and even violence against others. When the parental response is to protect their little darlings and assure them that's a flaw in a society that doesn't appreciate their "self expression" it both condones anti-social behavior and feeds existing rejection of social mores that lead to alienation. Put another way, it not only approves anti-social behavior, but indicting the social structure actively ENCOURAGES such behavior as an alternative to social mores deemed misguided.
So, yeah, speak your mind, fully and freely, but if disagreeing with me doesn't make you an ignorant evil SOB, disagreeing with you doesn't make me one either. Some of my worst (and, regrettably, most recent) arguments have come from dismissing people with the assumption they've taken their position based on limited and/or skewed data. The truth is, most of the big controversies exist because they're complex and uncertain enough that strong rational arguments with copious observational data can be presented for BOTH sides. That's not to say there aren't still plenty of people on both sides who form their views based on a casual examination of the evidence, but few of the truly passionate ones do; people have a habit of researching the things about which they feel strongly, even if it's tempting to simply look for more evidence we're "right" than actually examine the facts to FIND OUT what's "right".
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Child Psychology: Are Todays Parents Mental?
06/01/2011 11:21:53 PM
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Very interesting article, thanks for posting.
07/01/2011 01:36:51 AM
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Welcome, and I'll pass that along to the person through whom I learned of it.
07/01/2011 02:19:07 AM
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I just began thinking about how my parents raised me as I was reading this.
07/01/2011 02:24:33 AM
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The middle way seems best; 'grats to you and your folks.
07/01/2011 06:35:50 PM
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Thanks Joel. And I agree with you that most of the time, the middle way is best.
07/01/2011 06:52:10 PM
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meh
07/01/2011 02:34:47 PM
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I disagree; even to the extent that's the real problem it's still down to indulgent parents.
07/01/2011 04:52:26 PM
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exterem paretnal involment is being overstated
08/01/2011 03:10:09 AM
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It's extreme indulgence, not involvement.
08/01/2011 03:44:43 AM
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extreme indulgence is a problem but with one exception those were not good examples
08/01/2011 04:47:05 PM
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"Kids need to feel badly sometimes"? What should we do? Dip their fingers in acid?
07/01/2011 03:00:17 PM
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It would work, and definitely put an end to all this touchy-feeliness.
07/01/2011 04:47:16 PM
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I would classify editing the N-word out of Huckleberry Finn to apply to this issue...
07/01/2011 11:26:05 PM
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"Undiplomatic" is one thing, "inflammatory" quite another.
07/01/2011 11:51:03 PM
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Re: "Undiplomatic" is one thing, "inflammatory" quite another.
09/01/2011 12:20:47 AM
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If the stakes are small or there's no alternative I don't mind going with your gut.
09/01/2011 01:20:42 AM
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Re: If the stakes are small or there's no alternative I don't mind going with your gut.
09/01/2011 01:28:28 AM
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Sadly so.
09/01/2011 01:32:23 AM
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Re: Sadly so.
09/01/2011 01:41:39 AM
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Hadn't seen that, no.
09/01/2011 11:21:20 PM
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Re: Hadn't seen that, no.
10/01/2011 04:59:53 PM
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Does M$ have U2 and Steves permission to use their names in that patent application?
10/01/2011 07:46:54 PM
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Re: Does M$ have U2 and Steves permission to use their names in that patent application?
10/01/2011 09:54:50 PM
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well your reply shows us what we end up with if we have over indulgent parnets
10/01/2011 04:08:38 PM
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It's a good article, but contains a bit of oversimplification.
11/01/2011 09:36:35 PM
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Actually, I tend to agree, 'cos I somewhat agree with rt it diagnoses symptoms better than problems
11/01/2011 11:53:48 PM
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