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That's precisely the logic, yes. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/12/2010 04:31:44 AM
Remember that discussion about the people who were profiting from fire departments that they hadn't paid for, and the discussion of whether such people's houses should be saved?

This has its similarities to that - nobody would defend letting people without health insurance die, but if people know they'll get health care when they urgently need it anyway, they have a disincentive to invest in health insurance, except when the choice simply isn't left up to them. Much like in most cities, people don't have a choice about paying for the fire department or not.

What makes it so distasteful here, apart from being yet another broken Obama promise, is that instead of making it a universal tax burden for a government service (as with most fire departments in places people haven't lost their minds) people pay taxes for it only if they can't or won't buy private insurance. A public mandate, in name or in fact, without a public option remains the worst of both worlds and should be repealed and replaced with something far better. I've yet to see a good argument it's actually ILLEGAL though, so if the SCOTUS strikes it down for specious reasons it would be disappointing, if not surprising.
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Federal judge in Va. strikes down health care law - trzaska2000 - 13/12/2010 05:21:37 PM 1030 Views
*yawn* Macharius - 13/12/2010 05:46:58 PM 690 Views
Another step closer to SCOTUS.....and that will be 5-4 decision in favor of repeal! *NM* trzaska2000 - 13/12/2010 05:55:54 PM 268 Views
It may very well end up that way. *NM* Tom - 13/12/2010 07:09:36 PM 303 Views
So riddle me this... Dannymac - 13/12/2010 07:23:14 PM 680 Views
He's not "making his own law", just denying the government the ability to..... trzaska2000 - 13/12/2010 08:06:48 PM 643 Views
That wasn't my question. Dannymac - 13/12/2010 09:10:39 PM 747 Views
I get what you're saying... Jeordam - 13/12/2010 11:30:13 PM 740 Views
Re: I get what you're saying... rempires - 14/12/2010 01:34:13 AM 768 Views
*heh* Jeordam - 14/12/2010 04:01:35 PM 685 Views
That's not all they're saying, though. Dannymac - 14/12/2010 01:42:27 AM 630 Views
At least in my mind.... Jeordam - 14/12/2010 04:10:38 PM 651 Views
Agreed; when do I get a refund for my share of the B2 bomber? Joel - 14/12/2010 04:40:25 AM 679 Views
But see...you are using the B2 bomber. Jeordam - 14/12/2010 03:59:27 PM 610 Views
Much as you are using the healthcare system. Joel - 14/12/2010 05:55:40 PM 730 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 14/12/2010 06:09:42 PM 703 Views
Again we're back to whether individuals deign to tolerate majority rule. Joel - 14/12/2010 07:27:22 PM 822 Views
Re: So riddle me this... everynametaken - 14/12/2010 02:51:35 AM 654 Views
It's judicial review Ava - 14/12/2010 02:47:43 PM 698 Views
Re: It's judicial review Macharius - 14/12/2010 03:27:28 PM 677 Views
Re: It's judicial review Ava - 15/12/2010 05:35:17 PM 773 Views
I really don't understand why people defend the forced purchase aspect Isaac - 13/12/2010 08:22:03 PM 719 Views
This analogy no doubt has its flaws too, but I was just reminded of it... Legolas - 13/12/2010 08:52:31 PM 730 Views
That's precisely the logic, yes. Joel - 14/12/2010 04:31:44 AM 693 Views
Forced insurance purchase would indeed be terribly unconstitutional. Joel - 14/12/2010 04:26:27 AM 648 Views
This judge... Dreaded Anomaly - 13/12/2010 11:26:09 PM 728 Views
there is a major problem with this.. rempires - 14/12/2010 01:29:41 AM 693 Views
Bad analogy..... trzaska2000 - 14/12/2010 02:57:28 AM 646 Views
Re: Bad analogy..... rempires - 14/12/2010 03:23:31 AM 661 Views
Not everyone uses the HC system and many can pay for it without insurance..... trzaska2000 - 14/12/2010 03:42:26 AM 642 Views
Re: Not everyone uses the HC system and many can pay for it without insurance..... rempires - 14/12/2010 04:53:39 AM 662 Views
Just to note.... Jeordam - 14/12/2010 06:11:57 PM 661 Views
Re: Just to note.... Macharius - 14/12/2010 06:44:54 PM 644 Views
Re: Just to note.... rempires - 14/12/2010 08:32:46 PM 649 Views
yeah, but the courts exist to strike down dumb legislation, which is what this ruling does moondog - 14/12/2010 03:17:04 AM 606 Views
No, the courts exist to interpret legislation, and the SCOTUS to strike down illegal legislation. Joel - 14/12/2010 04:36:59 AM 625 Views
I'll excerpt some relevant passages, but the full article is in the link. Macharius - 14/12/2010 02:10:48 PM 795 Views
In other words there may be a painful silver lining. Joel - 14/12/2010 07:46:38 PM 574 Views
He partially owns the lobby aiming to make it unconstitutional, which the plaintiff was a client of *NM* Jragghen - 14/12/2010 05:35:21 PM 335 Views
Update: the judge's decision is basically nonsense. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/12/2010 08:04:27 PM 897 Views
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