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Forced insurance purchase would indeed be terribly unconstitutional. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/12/2010 04:26:27 AM
It seems weird anyone would accuse him of judicial activism for pointing out that this would give unlimited power. There's no legal difference between the gov't forcing you to buy health insurance and forcing you to buy a shotgun, and I'd think the analogy would hold, if one is trying to make healthcare a right, like gun ownership is, then the parallel would be demanding we all subsidize people's handgun and rifle purchases and force everyone to buy guns, or similarly as free speech is a right, making people buy newspapers. I can't think of any legal reason why forced insurance purchase would be okay but those aren't, and heck, guns and newspapers are a lot cheaper then health care insurance.

Unfortunately, the healthcare law doesn't force the purchase, as you know full well. I don't like what it DOES do to mandate coverage, especially since 1) Obama explicitly pledged during the primaries that he WOULDN'T do that, 2) it won't work and 3) it would only be acceptable as a necessary evil if accompanied by a non-existent public option that makes it more than a subsidy to private insurance. I've seen no evidence, however, that it's unconstitutional. Not that, like the others, I'd bat an eye if the GOP SCOTUS said it is anyway and then went into another rant about activist judges.
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Federal judge in Va. strikes down health care law - trzaska2000 - 13/12/2010 05:21:37 PM 1034 Views
*yawn* Macharius - 13/12/2010 05:46:58 PM 695 Views
Another step closer to SCOTUS.....and that will be 5-4 decision in favor of repeal! *NM* trzaska2000 - 13/12/2010 05:55:54 PM 269 Views
It may very well end up that way. *NM* Tom - 13/12/2010 07:09:36 PM 304 Views
So riddle me this... Dannymac - 13/12/2010 07:23:14 PM 685 Views
He's not "making his own law", just denying the government the ability to..... trzaska2000 - 13/12/2010 08:06:48 PM 650 Views
That wasn't my question. Dannymac - 13/12/2010 09:10:39 PM 752 Views
I get what you're saying... Jeordam - 13/12/2010 11:30:13 PM 746 Views
Re: I get what you're saying... rempires - 14/12/2010 01:34:13 AM 769 Views
*heh* Jeordam - 14/12/2010 04:01:35 PM 691 Views
That's not all they're saying, though. Dannymac - 14/12/2010 01:42:27 AM 635 Views
At least in my mind.... Jeordam - 14/12/2010 04:10:38 PM 654 Views
Agreed; when do I get a refund for my share of the B2 bomber? Joel - 14/12/2010 04:40:25 AM 682 Views
But see...you are using the B2 bomber. Jeordam - 14/12/2010 03:59:27 PM 614 Views
Much as you are using the healthcare system. Joel - 14/12/2010 05:55:40 PM 735 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 14/12/2010 06:09:42 PM 706 Views
Again we're back to whether individuals deign to tolerate majority rule. Joel - 14/12/2010 07:27:22 PM 826 Views
Re: So riddle me this... everynametaken - 14/12/2010 02:51:35 AM 658 Views
It's judicial review Ava - 14/12/2010 02:47:43 PM 701 Views
Re: It's judicial review Macharius - 14/12/2010 03:27:28 PM 681 Views
Re: It's judicial review Ava - 15/12/2010 05:35:17 PM 775 Views
I really don't understand why people defend the forced purchase aspect Isaac - 13/12/2010 08:22:03 PM 720 Views
This analogy no doubt has its flaws too, but I was just reminded of it... Legolas - 13/12/2010 08:52:31 PM 735 Views
That's precisely the logic, yes. Joel - 14/12/2010 04:31:44 AM 697 Views
Forced insurance purchase would indeed be terribly unconstitutional. Joel - 14/12/2010 04:26:27 AM 650 Views
This judge... Dreaded Anomaly - 13/12/2010 11:26:09 PM 734 Views
there is a major problem with this.. rempires - 14/12/2010 01:29:41 AM 693 Views
Bad analogy..... trzaska2000 - 14/12/2010 02:57:28 AM 652 Views
Re: Bad analogy..... rempires - 14/12/2010 03:23:31 AM 661 Views
Not everyone uses the HC system and many can pay for it without insurance..... trzaska2000 - 14/12/2010 03:42:26 AM 648 Views
Re: Not everyone uses the HC system and many can pay for it without insurance..... rempires - 14/12/2010 04:53:39 AM 662 Views
Just to note.... Jeordam - 14/12/2010 06:11:57 PM 664 Views
Re: Just to note.... Macharius - 14/12/2010 06:44:54 PM 649 Views
Re: Just to note.... rempires - 14/12/2010 08:32:46 PM 649 Views
yeah, but the courts exist to strike down dumb legislation, which is what this ruling does moondog - 14/12/2010 03:17:04 AM 609 Views
No, the courts exist to interpret legislation, and the SCOTUS to strike down illegal legislation. Joel - 14/12/2010 04:36:59 AM 627 Views
I'll excerpt some relevant passages, but the full article is in the link. Macharius - 14/12/2010 02:10:48 PM 799 Views
In other words there may be a painful silver lining. Joel - 14/12/2010 07:46:38 PM 575 Views
He partially owns the lobby aiming to make it unconstitutional, which the plaintiff was a client of *NM* Jragghen - 14/12/2010 05:35:21 PM 335 Views
Update: the judge's decision is basically nonsense. Dreaded Anomaly - 14/12/2010 08:04:27 PM 900 Views
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