I worry North Korea long ago decided to solve domestic problems with international aggression.
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/11/2010 02:26:36 PM
The only explanation I can find for the lack of a robust reponse to North Korea (a country which poses a far greater risk to world and regional peace than, say, Iran) is that the South, the USA and their other allies are hoping North Korea will disintegrate on its own under a tidal wave of economic collapse (one more famine like the one in the mid-1990s will do it) and they can send in peacekeepers and humanitarian aid rather than mount a full-scale invasion.
Certainly, it seems likely that South Korea simply letting the North get away with sinking one of their warships earlier this year with no retaliation encouraged the North to take further action. A more robust South Korean response could dissuade further escalation. OTOH, it could also trigger it, considering that the North Koreans are even more jittery than normal. Certainly not a decision I'd like to make.
Certainly, it seems likely that South Korea simply letting the North get away with sinking one of their warships earlier this year with no retaliation encouraged the North to take further action. A more robust South Korean response could dissuade further escalation. OTOH, it could also trigger it, considering that the North Koreans are even more jittery than normal. Certainly not a decision I'd like to make.
They have no food; South Korea has plenty. The main thing staying our hand, IMHO, is that North Korea remains a Chinese satellite and the US doesn't desire the direct military conflict confronting North Korea would cause (nor do South Korea or Japan). Unfortunately that merely raises the ante without otherwise changing the game; if China is less bellicose toward us, has committed less acts of war against us in the last decade than North Korea has against South Korea, it's only because the Kims are a tough act to follow. The dictators and autocrats know von Clausewitz well, however: They will, as others of their ilk before them, make a pretense of diplomacy so long as peaceful nations will cede their desires at no cost, but they know that even Chamberlain had his limit, consequently they constantly prepare for their inevitable war. At some point, in Seoul, or Tokyo, or Delhi, or Brisbane, someone is going to decide they don't want their own native Tiananmen Square, and at that point they will be reminded who first said, "political power comes out of the barrel of a gun". I pray they do not accept reality too late.
It should be an interesting decade or two. America no longer has the ability even if it ever had the desire to defend Europe from authoritarian regimes, and Europe has lacked the means since the '20s. Hopefully Putin remembers the Alamo as well as I do....
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North Korea attacks South Korea and no one mentions it?
23/11/2010 10:56:03 AM
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"Oh God, Oh God, we are all going to die?"
23/11/2010 11:09:30 AM
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Yup, but the day Beijing decides they're better off not intervening the Appeasers look very dumb.
23/11/2010 11:23:35 AM
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The appeasers look very dumb at this point regardless.
23/11/2010 04:11:41 PM
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yes, because we want to fight *ANOTHER* proxy war with china *NM*
23/11/2010 04:29:18 PM
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"Wanting" has nothing to do with it. There are few alternatives.
23/11/2010 04:50:02 PM
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Honestly, it COULD go either way.
23/11/2010 05:14:18 PM
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The fact that it could go either way is a testimony to the longevity of Chinese leaders.
23/11/2010 07:04:14 PM
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I don't believe in striking first but, frankly, it's long been a moot point.
23/11/2010 05:09:49 PM
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You know I like to sleep in, remember?
23/11/2010 11:20:33 AM
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Agreed
23/11/2010 02:07:30 PM
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I worry North Korea long ago decided to solve domestic problems with international aggression.
23/11/2010 02:26:36 PM
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That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
23/11/2010 11:40:33 AM
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Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
23/11/2010 11:46:03 AM
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Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers
23/11/2010 11:57:51 AM
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The really sad part is, that along with everything else worthwhile in the British Empire...
25/11/2010 09:49:00 AM
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I actually had no clue.
23/11/2010 01:14:20 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
23/11/2010 01:15:10 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
23/11/2010 04:32:17 PM
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Re: I actually had no clue.
23/11/2010 04:36:59 PM
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Careful; qualify all your generalizations and people (especially him) will think you're me.
25/11/2010 02:03:42 PM
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Nuke the fuckers and be done with it. And let China know it's their fault. *NM*
23/11/2010 02:58:56 PM
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you know the world doesn't exist until america wakes up in the morning, right? *NM*
23/11/2010 04:27:27 PM
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OK, have had time to read it, and someone needs to fact check a very important part of that article.
23/11/2010 04:52:02 PM
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Fact checking:
23/11/2010 08:38:57 PM
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The term "truce" used in a different Guardian article seems better.
23/11/2010 09:20:19 PM
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Well
23/11/2010 05:24:02 PM
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Same reason we don't give all our allies (especially neighbors) our best hardware.
23/11/2010 07:43:54 PM
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Actually, no, it looks like The Guardian is just schizoid on this subject.
23/11/2010 08:16:45 PM
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This has been coming for a while but I hoped the West would step up and help out. *NM*
23/11/2010 08:31:40 PM
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There's not going to be any all-out conflict
24/11/2010 12:56:44 AM
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They're getting aid from South Korea now, and killing them anyway.
24/11/2010 01:20:33 AM
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No kidding, that's been going on for quite some time.
24/11/2010 02:49:50 AM
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That is the crux of it, I suppose.
24/11/2010 03:02:40 PM
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~shrugs~ SK has lived with this a long time, and will continue to do so.
24/11/2010 10:26:44 PM
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Parts of it have; some South Koreans stopped living with it a few days ago.
25/11/2010 01:48:02 PM
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