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Yup, but the day Beijing decides they're better off not intervening the Appeasers look very dumb. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/11/2010 11:23:35 AM
On a more serious note this is one of the most dangerous moments in relations between the two Koreas in almost 60 years at the moment when the politics in the two countries - with a (relatively) hardline right-wing government in Seoul and a tense succession in Pyongyang - are not at their most stable.

At the moment the shooting has stopped, but if North Korea is sticking by its story that the South fired first, then it almost has to retaliate against the South's counter-attack, and that could lead into a general war. I have no doubt that Beijing are on the phone to Pyongyang right now telling them to cool it.

Particularly since as long as China is less than certain it could take the US in a stand up fight they'll make the call: The only way they won't is if they think they can win the Second Korean War.
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North Korea attacks South Korea and no one mentions it? - 23/11/2010 10:56:03 AM 1435 Views
"Oh God, Oh God, we are all going to die?" - 23/11/2010 11:09:30 AM 1221 Views
Yup, but the day Beijing decides they're better off not intervening the Appeasers look very dumb. - 23/11/2010 11:23:35 AM 1072 Views
The appeasers look very dumb at this point regardless. - 23/11/2010 04:11:41 PM 980 Views
yes, because we want to fight *ANOTHER* proxy war with china *NM* - 23/11/2010 04:29:18 PM 543 Views
"Wanting" has nothing to do with it. There are few alternatives. - 23/11/2010 04:50:02 PM 1125 Views
Honestly, it COULD go either way. - 23/11/2010 05:14:18 PM 1250 Views
China's relations with North Korea are also worsening, though. - 25/11/2010 05:48:01 PM 1415 Views
What Tom said. - 23/11/2010 05:15:31 PM 1063 Views
I figured someone else would post it *NM* - 23/11/2010 11:16:44 AM 483 Views
You know I like to sleep in, remember? - 23/11/2010 11:20:33 AM 1063 Views
Agreed - 23/11/2010 02:07:30 PM 1172 Views
I think most Americans are asleep until the sun rises here - 23/11/2010 11:32:28 AM 1072 Views
That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers - 23/11/2010 11:40:33 AM 1054 Views
Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers - 23/11/2010 11:46:03 AM 1096 Views
Re: That is 'cause everyone else is hiding out in their nuclear bunkers - 23/11/2010 11:57:51 AM 955 Views
The really sad part is, that along with everything else worthwhile in the British Empire... - 25/11/2010 09:49:00 AM 1226 Views
you know what they say - 25/11/2010 10:34:30 AM 1090 Views
Never send an Englishman to do a man's work? - 25/11/2010 09:06:22 PM 1086 Views
I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 01:14:20 PM 1071 Views
Re: I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 01:15:10 PM 942 Views
Re: I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 04:32:17 PM 1038 Views
Re: I actually had no clue. - 23/11/2010 04:36:59 PM 1003 Views
Honestly, - 23/11/2010 02:36:13 PM 984 Views
you know the world doesn't exist until america wakes up in the morning, right? *NM* - 23/11/2010 04:27:27 PM 509 Views
I had an inkling. *NM* - 23/11/2010 04:37:37 PM 548 Views
OK, have had time to read it, and someone needs to fact check a very important part of that article. - 23/11/2010 04:52:02 PM 1117 Views
Fact checking: - 23/11/2010 08:38:57 PM 1061 Views
The term "truce" used in a different Guardian article seems better. - 23/11/2010 09:20:19 PM 992 Views
my two bits - 23/11/2010 10:51:51 PM 1135 Views
I'm glad your ex wasn't there in 1970 then. - 24/11/2010 01:10:02 AM 1086 Views
Well - 23/11/2010 05:24:02 PM 1083 Views
There's not going to be any all-out conflict - 24/11/2010 12:56:44 AM 1251 Views
They're getting aid from South Korea now, and killing them anyway. - 24/11/2010 01:20:33 AM 1169 Views
No kidding, that's been going on for quite some time. - 24/11/2010 02:49:50 AM 1042 Views
That is the crux of it, I suppose. - 24/11/2010 03:02:40 PM 1127 Views
~shrugs~ SK has lived with this a long time, and will continue to do so. - 24/11/2010 10:26:44 PM 1107 Views
Parts of it have; some South Koreans stopped living with it a few days ago. - 25/11/2010 01:48:02 PM 1718 Views
They won't be the last. - 02/12/2010 12:55:20 AM 1273 Views
Re: North Korea attacks South Korea and no one mentions it? - 24/11/2010 01:50:11 AM 1004 Views

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