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Not the way I'd put it, as jh notes, but unquestionably. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 03:17:22 PM
Unfortunately it's not the kind of question I can answer while racing to bed, other than to say, "substance" isn't the word I'd use, since it has material connotations "spiritual" precludes. Hence your philosophy books referencing "matter" the spiritual is not material, which is why the serious answers you're getting from materialists basically boil down to "no. " There's a conceit that says anything that exists is material, but that's far from given, and there's a great deal of evidence (such as this discussion) to the contrary. But any more will have to wait until at least tomorrow or the next day; I have to leave for work again in 7.5 hours.
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Do you think there's some kind of spiritual substance in the universe? - 14/09/2009 02:42:22 PM 886 Views
no, it is mostly hydrogen *NM* - 14/09/2009 02:43:47 PM 273 Views
No *NM* - 14/09/2009 03:01:32 PM 252 Views
not a chance *NM* - 14/09/2009 03:23:02 PM 253 Views
yes (in as much that we could choose to define it that way) - 14/09/2009 03:31:40 PM 682 Views
No *NM* - 14/09/2009 05:14:33 PM 254 Views
Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? - 14/09/2009 05:27:09 PM 620 Views
Re: Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? - 14/09/2009 06:20:45 PM 606 Views
I think there is definitely a spiritual force that underlies the unity of all things - 14/09/2009 06:11:01 PM 644 Views
That sounds very like gnosticism in many ways. - 18/09/2009 12:17:51 PM 651 Views
No. *NM* - 14/09/2009 07:06:59 PM 247 Views
define "spiritual'. - 14/09/2009 07:36:18 PM 572 Views
Rum. - 14/09/2009 08:25:46 PM 631 Views
YES! *NM* - 16/09/2009 02:10:55 PM 279 Views
How are we not married? *NM* - 19/09/2009 04:10:13 AM 253 Views
Bigamy laws. *NM* - 19/09/2009 03:49:59 PM 239 Views
My Achilles heel! *NM* - 19/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 259 Views
Timing *NM* - 21/09/2009 12:51:37 PM 253 Views
My Achilles ankle! *NM* - 21/09/2009 08:14:42 PM 268 Views
Your Face. *NM* - 21/09/2009 08:21:44 PM 254 Views
My Achilles face! - 07/10/2009 09:40:36 PM 523 Views
No *NM* - 14/09/2009 09:09:16 PM 240 Views
No *NM* - 14/09/2009 09:31:14 PM 255 Views
Yes, vodka. *NM* - 14/09/2009 10:02:19 PM 238 Views
Substance? - 14/09/2009 10:08:04 PM 588 Views
Yeah, boobs. - 15/09/2009 01:51:44 AM 579 Views
Not the way I'd put it, as jh notes, but unquestionably. - 15/09/2009 03:17:22 PM 614 Views
Look, don't put words in my mouth. - 15/09/2009 04:50:13 PM 636 Views
Sorry. - 15/09/2009 05:14:10 PM 562 Views
Re: Sorry. - 17/09/2009 09:20:58 PM 545 Views
People over-complicate this, it's a sort of animal abuse - 15/09/2009 09:03:01 PM 603 Views
Nicely put. *NM* - 17/09/2009 01:57:44 AM 235 Views
Very nicely put. *NM* - 17/09/2009 06:57:57 PM 231 Views
A sublte nuance most modern materialists miss. - 18/09/2009 12:21:33 PM 824 Views
I think there may be platonic forms defining purpose - 16/09/2009 06:27:36 AM 529 Views
The material universe precludes a purely natural cause. - 18/09/2009 12:04:16 PM 710 Views
One little correction - 20/09/2009 12:34:13 AM 705 Views
Nay. - 20/09/2009 07:04:47 AM 534 Views
Re: Nay. - 07/10/2009 11:55:28 AM 641 Views

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