I often wonder the same thing, think about the sheer quantity of proven pedophile priests, then...
Joel Send a noteboard - 13/11/2010 11:07:39 PM
cry a little on the inside.
So, where does celibacy and not being allowed to marry fit into this? Poor pope.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer". (I Tim. 4:1-4)
Paul speaking, but apparently whatever Vatican Council decreed priests can't marry trumps the Apostle to the Gentiles. Despite the fact there might not BE a Roman Church without him. Heck, even BISHOPS are only requried to be "the husband of only one wife" but apparently what was good enough for a Second Century bishop isn't good enough for a 21st Century rank and file priest. By excuding all homosexual AND heterosexual people with adult consenting partners from the priesthood they're reduced their pool of potential priests to:
1) Those SO dedicated to Christ they're willing to forego ever having a wife, children, sex or, really, any kind of life outside the Church, and
2) People whose lust for children has been routinely hidden from friends, family and coworkers all their lives, so that hiding it from yet another group (and continuing to indulge it) seems perfectly natural.
Many are called, but few are chosen, so it's pretty obvious which group will be the largest.
Also, the ham sandwich I had for dinner yesterday was quite tasty, and I don't think it will send me to Hell. I seem to remember reading somewhere that a man is defiled not by what goes into him but by what comes out of him, but that's a doctrinal matter (thus covered by papal infallibility) and since the Pope disagrees with that view, the Person stating it was wrong, right?
This is why I'm a non-denominational Christian....
"The Church resists every form of denial of human life and gives its support to everything that would promote the natural order in the sphere of the institution of the family," the pope said in the Mass.
He also said "the indissoluble love of a man and a woman is the effective context of human life in its gestation, birth, growth, and natural end," in a clear criticism of gay marriage.
He also said "the indissoluble love of a man and a woman is the effective context of human life in its gestation, birth, growth, and natural end," in a clear criticism of gay marriage.
So, where does celibacy and not being allowed to marry fit into this? Poor pope.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer". (I Tim. 4:1-4)
Paul speaking, but apparently whatever Vatican Council decreed priests can't marry trumps the Apostle to the Gentiles. Despite the fact there might not BE a Roman Church without him. Heck, even BISHOPS are only requried to be "the husband of only one wife" but apparently what was good enough for a Second Century bishop isn't good enough for a 21st Century rank and file priest. By excuding all homosexual AND heterosexual people with adult consenting partners from the priesthood they're reduced their pool of potential priests to:
1) Those SO dedicated to Christ they're willing to forego ever having a wife, children, sex or, really, any kind of life outside the Church, and
2) People whose lust for children has been routinely hidden from friends, family and coworkers all their lives, so that hiding it from yet another group (and continuing to indulge it) seems perfectly natural.
Many are called, but few are chosen, so it's pretty obvious which group will be the largest.
Also, the ham sandwich I had for dinner yesterday was quite tasty, and I don't think it will send me to Hell. I seem to remember reading somewhere that a man is defiled not by what goes into him but by what comes out of him, but that's a doctrinal matter (thus covered by papal infallibility) and since the Pope disagrees with that view, the Person stating it was wrong, right?
This is why I'm a non-denominational Christian....
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 13/11/2010 at 11:13:40 PM
Pope criticises gay marriage and abortion at cathedral consecration in Spain
07/11/2010 08:18:06 PM
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Can't wait to see what he says about sanctity of life next time he's in TX....
07/11/2010 08:51:41 PM
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You know, next time you tell people to not reopen certain debates...
07/11/2010 09:28:21 PM
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Does Spain distinguish between secular and sacramental marriage?
08/11/2010 01:10:47 AM
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I would assume so, but can't say for sure.
08/11/2010 10:27:01 AM
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Well, that's the out then.
08/11/2010 11:00:14 PM
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I'm more looking forward to how the Texans affirm their support for the institution like Spain
09/11/2010 11:36:16 PM
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The Catholic Church as a whole is opposed to capital punishment, and is fairly vocal about it.
09/11/2010 11:55:18 PM
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But that's personal issues of the clergy and whatnot involved. It's not doctrine
13/11/2010 02:20:38 AM
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Spain doesn't have to deal with Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause.
10/11/2010 12:25:05 PM
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Re: Spain doesn't have to deal with Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause.
13/11/2010 02:25:01 AM
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Now that is the way to protest against the Pope. I wish people had thought of that here. *NM*
07/11/2010 09:02:51 PM
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The girl on girl kissing? Hell, yeah.
07/11/2010 09:23:17 PM
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you must have the Ugly lesbian Club in your area
07/11/2010 09:28:02 PM
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Re: you must have the Ugly lesbian Club in your area
07/11/2010 10:05:58 PM
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she's lesbian.
07/11/2010 10:32:37 PM
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Re: she's lesbian.
08/11/2010 01:14:32 AM
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lol sorry. I wasn't trying to come off all offended or like I was trying to spoil your joke
08/11/2010 01:26:54 AM
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Referring to the 1930s and then talking of re-evangelization is a rather painful gaffe, I must say.
07/11/2010 09:13:19 PM
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dang. how big and fancy is this cathedral going to be? *NM*
07/11/2010 09:28:44 PM
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Huge, but mostly it's just been built very slowly for financial reasons.
08/11/2010 10:23:32 AM
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Uh yeah because Franco was worse than the communists....
08/11/2010 03:43:55 AM
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Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
08/11/2010 10:17:10 AM
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Re: Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
08/11/2010 03:31:45 PM
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Re: Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
08/11/2010 10:28:01 PM
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Re: Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
09/11/2010 10:24:38 AM
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Ah, classic communist logic.
09/11/2010 08:17:48 PM
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I wouldn't expect anything less of him. *NM*
08/11/2010 02:28:36 AM
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Yeah, wouldn't it be hilariously awesome if he was, like, "Dudes, gay marriage ain't so bad." *NM*
08/11/2010 02:58:48 AM
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Again: The Pope doesn't oppress anyone.
08/11/2010 03:40:19 AM
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Awesome, except he's attacking people leaving, too. *NM*
08/11/2010 04:30:02 AM
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I would too.
08/11/2010 05:08:37 AM
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well fine, but you're telling them to leave, and attacking them for doing so.
08/11/2010 07:18:45 PM
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And here come the ad hominem attacks.
08/11/2010 09:32:23 PM
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No, it's more like a boss firing an employee and then bitching about them leaving. *NM*
08/11/2010 10:43:56 PM
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Did you hear the Church have stopped approving applications for people to officially leave,
08/11/2010 07:13:15 PM
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Not at all.
08/11/2010 09:29:29 PM
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Yeah, I'm with Dragonsoul on this one
08/11/2010 09:39:13 PM
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It makes a difference when they use your name as part of a statistic
09/11/2010 12:28:51 AM
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Re: Pope criticises gay marriage and abortion at cathedral consecration in Spain
08/11/2010 05:24:46 PM
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This is funny.
09/11/2010 08:42:52 PM
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I often wonder the same thing, think about the sheer quantity of proven pedophile priests, then...
13/11/2010 11:07:39 PM
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