Yet again government not letting people make their own decisions
dacole Send a noteboard - 10/11/2010 03:01:15 AM
Sorry but it is not the job of the government to be the parent of people this much. If people are stupid enough and can't control their children enough to not give them this all the time then they deserve what they get. Don't have the children if you can not support them. This goes to far and is an example of why the moderates (me for example) voted republican in the last election (as I did). Yes protect me from more powerful interests but don't treat me like I am an idiot and let the people who are idiots get what they deserve.
You are the government not my parent. I am responsible for myself and ONLY myself as is everybody else.
You are the government not my parent. I am responsible for myself and ONLY myself as is everybody else.
NOVEMBER 3, 2010
San Francisco has banned the Happy Meal, on the day of the return of the McRib no less. The San Francisco Board of Supervisors earlier today passed an ordinance requiring meals that included toys with their purchase to meet specific nutritional guidelines. The vote, achieved with a Gavin Newsom veto-proof majority of 8-3, effectively bans the Happy Meal.
Joe Eskenazi at the San Francisco Weekly reports:
?It seems the San Francisco Board of Supervisors has accomplished what the Hamburglar never could. They've made off with McDonald's fare.
The supes today passed an ordinance that will require meals to meet nutritional guidelines if restaurants wish to include a toy with the food purchase.
More importantly, the supes passed the so-called "Happy Meal Ban" by an 8-3 vote -- meaning it can survive a promised veto from Mayor Gavin Newsom. That's right: San Francisco done banned the Happy Meal. Robble robble.
The AP reports:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- For some veggies-hating children, Happy Meals won't be so happy anymore.
San Francisco lawmakers approved legislation Tuesday that would limit toy giveaways in children's meals that have excessive calories, sodium and fat. It also requires servings of fruits or vegetables with each meal.
The city's Board of Supervisors voted unanimously Tuesday to approve the ordinance, which they hope will force fast-food chains such as McDonald's to make their children's meals healthier or stop selling them with toys.
The measure drew enough support to overcome an expected veto by Mayor Gavin Newsom.
Supervisors say the law would make San Francisco the first major city to take this action to combat childhood obesity.
McDonald's has said the law threatens business and restricts parents' ability to make choices for their children.
UPDATE, 11/3/10:
McDonald's could, theoretically, reformulate the Happy Meal for San Francisco to allow it to be sold. Here are the ordinance's specific requirements for a packaged fast food meal targeted at children:
Calories: Less than 600
Sodium: Less than 640 milligram.
Fat: Less than 35 percent of calories from fat; Less than 10 percent from saturated fat (with exception for nuts, seeds, eggs or low-fat cheese).
Fruits & Vegetables: At least half a cup of fruit or three-quarters of a cup of vegetables
I fucking hate these stupid nanny state laws. I hate them when Bloomberg pushes them in NYC and I hate this one too. Christ why don't we just adopt the metric system, parliamentary government and 32 hour work weeks with six weeks off in the summer and get it over with.
San Francisco has banned the Happy Meal, on the day of the return of the McRib no less. The San Francisco Board of Supervisors earlier today passed an ordinance requiring meals that included toys with their purchase to meet specific nutritional guidelines. The vote, achieved with a Gavin Newsom veto-proof majority of 8-3, effectively bans the Happy Meal.
Joe Eskenazi at the San Francisco Weekly reports:
?It seems the San Francisco Board of Supervisors has accomplished what the Hamburglar never could. They've made off with McDonald's fare.
The supes today passed an ordinance that will require meals to meet nutritional guidelines if restaurants wish to include a toy with the food purchase.
More importantly, the supes passed the so-called "Happy Meal Ban" by an 8-3 vote -- meaning it can survive a promised veto from Mayor Gavin Newsom. That's right: San Francisco done banned the Happy Meal. Robble robble.
The AP reports:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- For some veggies-hating children, Happy Meals won't be so happy anymore.
San Francisco lawmakers approved legislation Tuesday that would limit toy giveaways in children's meals that have excessive calories, sodium and fat. It also requires servings of fruits or vegetables with each meal.
The city's Board of Supervisors voted unanimously Tuesday to approve the ordinance, which they hope will force fast-food chains such as McDonald's to make their children's meals healthier or stop selling them with toys.
The measure drew enough support to overcome an expected veto by Mayor Gavin Newsom.
Supervisors say the law would make San Francisco the first major city to take this action to combat childhood obesity.
McDonald's has said the law threatens business and restricts parents' ability to make choices for their children.
UPDATE, 11/3/10:
McDonald's could, theoretically, reformulate the Happy Meal for San Francisco to allow it to be sold. Here are the ordinance's specific requirements for a packaged fast food meal targeted at children:
Calories: Less than 600
Sodium: Less than 640 milligram.
Fat: Less than 35 percent of calories from fat; Less than 10 percent from saturated fat (with exception for nuts, seeds, eggs or low-fat cheese).
Fruits & Vegetables: At least half a cup of fruit or three-quarters of a cup of vegetables
I fucking hate these stupid nanny state laws. I hate them when Bloomberg pushes them in NYC and I hate this one too. Christ why don't we just adopt the metric system, parliamentary government and 32 hour work weeks with six weeks off in the summer and get it over with.
San Francisco Bans The Happy Meal
- 04/11/2010 04:00:12 AM
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Is't it nice that we have the Food Gestapo to tell us what we can and can't eat? 
*NM*
- 04/11/2010 04:46:04 AM
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*NM*
- 04/11/2010 04:46:04 AM
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It doesn't say anything about what you can and can't eat, it just says you can't be rewarded with
- 04/11/2010 11:25:31 AM
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For someone ostensibly obsessed with Germany, you sure enjoy trivializing the Holocaust. 
*NM*
- 04/11/2010 11:56:49 PM
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- 04/11/2010 11:56:49 PM
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The term has also come to mean an overly authoritarian and repressive organization
- 05/11/2010 05:54:45 AM
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now, they only really banned the toy that comes with the happy meal if it doesn't meet guidelines
- 04/11/2010 06:32:46 AM
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the government should not have to right to say how I feed my child
- 04/11/2010 01:37:41 PM
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I find feeding happy meals to children far more appalling.
- 04/11/2010 01:39:13 PM
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the government limits the kind of advertising your child sees during saturday morning cartoons
- 04/11/2010 03:36:47 PM
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that isn't even close to the same thing
- 04/11/2010 04:15:09 PM
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Don't forget the removal of more and more activity.
- 05/11/2010 12:32:03 AM
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yeah that is why kids are getting fat
- 05/11/2010 04:26:38 AM
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wow, ever consider that political leanings have nothing to do with my opinion 
- 05/11/2010 11:59:15 AM
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- 05/11/2010 11:59:15 AM
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your the one who wanted to bring your politics into it
- 05/11/2010 12:23:08 PM
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uhm, what? I said no such thing.
- 05/11/2010 12:33:22 PM
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it is exactly the same thing you're just trying to dance around the issue
- 05/11/2010 06:31:26 AM
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saying something does not make it true
- 05/11/2010 12:17:00 PM
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*NM*
I wouldn't touch the metric system with a 1.038m pole *NM*
- 04/11/2010 10:47:51 AM
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The law is just fighting a small symptom of a much bigger problem
- 04/11/2010 11:24:19 AM
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yes
- 04/11/2010 11:47:47 AM
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But they are confronted with a lot of idiot parents that create a lot of idiot children
- 05/11/2010 08:18:54 AM
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100% agree, in respect to this and other related subjects.
- 04/11/2010 01:42:32 PM
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I don't think the toy is that big of a draw for kids, really.
- 04/11/2010 05:11:10 PM
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The toys were a definite draw for mine
- 05/11/2010 08:20:05 AM
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Perhaps
- 05/11/2010 07:41:17 PM
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You're using yourself as an example at an age when the effect will be less anyway
- 06/11/2010 07:11:11 AM
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Not a big fan of that decision, either. As for introducing the metric system: would be past time.
- 04/11/2010 12:01:41 PM
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- 04/11/2010 12:01:41 PM
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Here in Aus we have fruit bags, and water etc. options for Happy Meals
- 04/11/2010 12:32:16 PM
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The healthier variety is starting to become more common in kids meals.
- 04/11/2010 12:50:44 PM
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milk or juice have ALWAYS been options, and every mcdonalds i've been to has offered the apples. *NM*
- 04/11/2010 01:36:34 PM
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Too bad milk and juice are horrible choices too. 
*NM*
- 04/11/2010 10:54:36 PM
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- 04/11/2010 10:54:36 PM
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uhmm, bullshit.
- 04/11/2010 11:39:09 PM
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Juice is nothing but sugar and milk as healthy is debatable.
- 05/11/2010 12:37:34 AM
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juice is not just sugar.
- 05/11/2010 02:11:12 AM
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Here. not the best source, but assuming the nutritionist's analyzer was correct...
- 05/11/2010 02:24:18 AM
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I'm not talking about juicing vegetables and fresh fruit.
- 05/11/2010 03:06:54 AM
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no it was not clear. You merely said "Juice"
- 05/11/2010 03:16:01 AM
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Milk is delicious. And it (when low-fat/skim) isn't actively bad for you.
- 05/11/2010 03:33:53 AM
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I know, but...just...EW.
- 05/11/2010 03:43:49 AM
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Agreed, as long as it's treated the right way (i.e. not the American way). *NM*
- 05/11/2010 09:56:16 AM
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*NM*
- 05/11/2010 09:56:16 AM
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Please elaborate.
- 05/11/2010 01:27:45 PM
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I remember the first time I came to Northern America (Canada, then) and tried drinking milk...
- 05/11/2010 04:44:01 PM
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You can get UHT milk
- 05/11/2010 04:47:53 PM
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Yeah, no doubt - you can get most anything in the US, but not necessarily easily.
- 05/11/2010 05:46:59 PM
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I live in a big enough city you can get pretty much anything you want
- 05/11/2010 07:02:44 PM
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How about the water?
- 05/11/2010 06:24:09 PM
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I remember when I lived in Germany, I found warm, boxed milk to be one of the stranger oddities.
- 05/11/2010 08:57:42 PM
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so what do you think kids should drink?
- 05/11/2010 04:28:36 AM
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Do this little experiment. Please.
- 05/11/2010 12:53:49 PM
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that is why my kids drinks milk or water and not juice 99% of time
- 05/11/2010 02:03:08 PM
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Of course!
- 05/11/2010 02:11:35 PM
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I am fighting my wife right now over the yogurt in a tube crap
- 05/11/2010 02:35:41 PM
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Ha! You should do the sugar measuring with her. It'll show her how much is in that 1 little tube. *NM*
- 05/11/2010 04:00:55 PM
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they have the option but i'm sure that fruit has 1200mg of sodium in it somehow *NM*
- 05/11/2010 06:35:36 AM
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*NM*
- 05/11/2010 06:35:36 AM
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I'm going to go set up the black market for happy meals in San Francisco.
- 04/11/2010 01:21:34 PM
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so in otherwords...Happy Meals in San Francisco don't come with toys anymore?
- 04/11/2010 01:38:03 PM
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This is pretty stupid.
- 04/11/2010 02:13:17 PM
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That part was a bit of hyperbole, I'm afraid. *NM*
- 04/11/2010 03:01:52 PM
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*NM*
- 04/11/2010 03:01:52 PM
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Not very much!
- 04/11/2010 03:04:58 PM
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I feel so exploited now
- 04/11/2010 03:31:26 PM
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*dons detective hat* Very interesting...
- 04/11/2010 03:35:08 PM
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Re: *dons detective hat* Very interesting...
- 04/11/2010 03:57:04 PM
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Another hint
- 04/11/2010 04:02:54 PM
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Re: Another hint
- 04/11/2010 04:23:28 PM
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Ah, Republicans and sex scandals. They go together like beer and kebabs,
- 04/11/2010 04:29:19 PM
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All we need is for someone else to pay for our national defense and we can do it *NM*
- 04/11/2010 04:16:28 PM
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They should ban something which may have effect instead.
- 04/11/2010 02:27:05 PM
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The toys do have effect. It's a positive reinforcer to eating the meal.
- 04/11/2010 10:57:49 PM
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What a bunch of morons.
- 04/11/2010 06:45:31 PM
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these are the same people who keep sending Pelosi back year after year *NM*
- 04/11/2010 06:49:16 PM
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I accidentally posted this in the wrong spot. I reposted below to the original thread.
- 04/11/2010 11:22:32 PM
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- 04/11/2010 11:22:32 PM
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Re:
- 05/11/2010 12:02:41 AM
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I'm not sure what your point is.
- 05/11/2010 12:42:14 AM
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That fast food is not inherently bad/unhealthy.
- 05/11/2010 01:16:51 AM
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Re: That fast food is not inherently bad/unhealthy.
- 05/11/2010 04:17:27 AM
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In that case: Yes, there's always a new meat sack/flesh puppet around the next corner. *NM*
- 05/11/2010 09:38:57 PM
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Many here don't seem to understand the purpose of the toy.
- 05/11/2010 12:43:27 AM
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kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat
- 05/11/2010 04:37:43 AM
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Re: kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat
- 05/11/2010 06:27:21 PM
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without a doubt parents need to be aware of marketing used to influence their kids
- 05/11/2010 07:29:06 PM
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Your overly-simplified psychology is wrong
- 05/11/2010 01:58:55 PM
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raw milk is banned because of the potential of illness.
- 05/11/2010 06:20:01 PM
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You miss my point (or helped me make it)
- 05/11/2010 07:58:59 PM
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because raw milk SALE AND DISTRIBUTION does not only affect the individual.
- 05/11/2010 08:37:10 PM
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Excuse me, I have a degree in psychology and I have oversimplified nothing.
- 05/11/2010 06:42:24 PM
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Like others have said...
- 05/11/2010 08:03:09 PM
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if they wanted to have a real impact they would ban drive throughs *NM*
- 05/11/2010 04:39:52 AM
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Yet again government not letting people make their own decisions
- 10/11/2010 03:01:15 AM
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