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Bipartisanship was never on the table, and Obama DID try (too hard). Joel Send a noteboard - 08/11/2010 09:30:15 PM
With the Democratic majority in the previous (outgoing) composition of the House, it was pretty much possible for the Democrats to ram anything and everything through if they wanted to, regardless of who their leader was.

Pelosi's adoption of that strategy may have led to tactical victories (she can brag that she got all Obama's priority bills through the House) but helped lay the foundation for the dramatic and overwhelming strategic defeat that Democrats suffered at the polls a few days ago.

In that sense, Pelosi accomplished very little. If she had been more bipartisan and conciliatory, it's possible that a lot of her bills would have passed the Senate and become law, which is the ONLY real measure of achievement.

It was embarrassing to watch the Senate Majority Leader and POTUS kiss ONE MANS ass to pass legislation despite huge majorities (and despite said POTUS having convinced said Majority Leader not to boot said one man into the political wilderness before any of that ever happened). How conciliatory should Pelosi have been whenaccused of supporting death panels or making it a federal crime to be uninsured? It takes two to do the bipartisanship tango, y'know, and, no, I'm sorry, Obama hasn't accomplished any more than Pelosi did. She did her job and he dropped the ball trying to please the people who accused him of being ineligible for office and a terrorist. It's a two party system and all the opposition has to do is ensure the ruling partys failure, then wait. Pelosi and the Republicans understand that well; you expecting a lot of conciliatorty bipartisanship out of the next Congress? And when the next Republican delegation takes office with the publicly stated goal of destroying Barack Obama, will all the partisanship still be the fault of the man who keeps reaching out to them?

No. The fatal flaw in your argument is that it's OBAMAS argument, one that has been weighed and found wanting. HTF is it the House Speakers fault that the Senate can't pass a bill? More to the point, her strong arm tactics overcame House REPUBLICANS strong arm tactics; it was the spinelessness of Reid and Obama that allowed that bill to be castrated in reconciliation. The Tea Party can pat itself on the back for last Tuesday, but anyone who's paid any attention knows that the single significant advantage Republicans had wasn't in general electorate support, but willingness to express it. More succintly: The Tea Party won because Dems stayed home, and that's Obamas fault, not Pelosis. He can tell people this is no time to sit things out, but if he can do it during the healthcare debate it should be legitimate for anyone. I like the way you and the Tea Party are thinking though; if they're foolish enough to take this as a mandate they'll be lucky to do as well in 2012 as Dems did in 2010. As many people say they want a more robust healthcare bill as say they want a weaker one, and very few say they want no reform at all, so how large a majority do you think "repeal Obamacare and just do tort reform" is going to get? You'll have to convince a looooot of people 1-2=0 to sell THAT along with the tax and deficit cuts.
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Why do conservatives hate Nancy Pelosi? - 07/11/2010 09:26:53 PM 1341 Views
possibly because she is too good at her job - 07/11/2010 10:10:28 PM 969 Views
Re: possibly because she is too good at her job - 08/11/2010 12:12:19 AM 724 Views
Misogyny? Really? - 08/11/2010 08:18:41 PM 707 Views
Well, not to point out the obvious, but she was Speaker of the House - 07/11/2010 10:18:33 PM 804 Views
Re: Well, not to point out the obvious, but she was Speaker of the House - 08/11/2010 12:14:42 AM 718 Views
One of those charges is valid though, sadly. - 08/11/2010 03:02:35 AM 760 Views
The ketchup controversy, seriously? - 08/11/2010 06:00:58 AM 1021 Views
Joel has a few pet "facts" that he bases his world view around - 10/11/2010 02:08:20 PM 732 Views
Hey, I didn't bring up the GOP starving kids to enrich millionaires. - 10/11/2010 05:53:07 PM 797 Views
really one interview with one guy who has been out of power for decades - 10/11/2010 06:57:16 PM 676 Views
The interview was quite relevant when given. - 10/11/2010 09:32:27 PM 721 Views
but you know all about the inner workings because of an entire party? - 10/11/2010 11:29:35 PM 711 Views
Never said that, but I didn't quote myself, either. - 11/11/2010 01:40:35 PM 817 Views
No, Pelosi did, that's the point - 10/11/2010 09:41:39 PM 828 Views
Re: - 08/11/2010 02:13:25 AM 713 Views
Because Nancy Pelosi is rather...liberal in her Political Positions. - 08/11/2010 02:20:56 AM 789 Views
I'm not sure calling her "pro-Obamacare" isn't slander. - 08/11/2010 03:03:52 AM 741 Views
I wouldn't call myself conservative but I don't like her because... - 08/11/2010 02:40:19 AM 760 Views
Yet she accomplished a lot more than Obama and Reids bipartisanship. - 08/11/2010 03:13:33 AM 714 Views
No, she didn't. - 08/11/2010 03:42:45 AM 747 Views
Bipartisanship was never on the table, and Obama DID try (too hard). - 08/11/2010 09:30:15 PM 699 Views
he had a luncheon and everything - 10/11/2010 04:16:01 PM 669 Views
Trying to work with people dedicated to his demise was a SYMPTOM of his leadership failings. - 10/11/2010 05:44:29 PM 802 Views
Trying to pick off a few republicans is not the same thing as working with them - 10/11/2010 06:56:04 PM 712 Views
After that link... - 10/11/2010 09:44:32 PM 674 Views
yes but when the middle hate you then you are in real trouble - 10/11/2010 11:34:28 PM 770 Views
I'm just gonna put this idea out there... - 08/11/2010 07:17:36 PM 871 Views
I can see Russia from my house? *NM* - 09/11/2010 12:15:40 AM 335 Views
Yeah, I thought he explained it rather well, until... - 09/11/2010 08:26:13 AM 691 Views
You could probably talk directly to me... - 09/11/2010 03:33:32 PM 705 Views
That's true - 10/11/2010 08:24:33 AM 707 Views
Did she actually say that? - 09/11/2010 03:31:50 PM 737 Views
She did say that, I'm not sure if it's EXACTLY what she said... - 09/11/2010 04:04:02 PM 690 Views
it doesn't matter what she says people need to believe she is stupid so they find proof even - 09/11/2010 04:36:28 PM 878 Views
well if it makes you feel better, I don't think she's particularly unintelligent - 09/11/2010 05:03:03 PM 735 Views
I don't agree with a lot of what she says either - 09/11/2010 06:33:14 PM 737 Views
Believe she actually said something about having Russia for a neighbor gave her foreign policy cred. - 10/11/2010 06:04:15 PM 867 Views
she did what every govenor who runs for the White House did - 10/11/2010 07:00:50 PM 741 Views
True. - 10/11/2010 09:36:59 PM 790 Views
Re: Did she actually say that? - 09/11/2010 04:05:55 PM 821 Views
Whaaaaaaaa? Where have you BEEN? *NM* - 09/11/2010 06:44:04 PM 262 Views
She merely said one could see Russia from somewhere in Alaska, which I believe is correct. - 09/11/2010 04:15:05 PM 1015 Views
But silly in the context - 09/11/2010 04:36:09 PM 723 Views
great job proving his point - 09/11/2010 04:23:02 PM 664 Views
Re: Why do conservatives hate Nancy Pelosi? - 09/11/2010 02:21:28 PM 793 Views
I don't hate her. I just have a great dislike for her political views. - 10/11/2010 09:38:38 PM 728 Views
She's too conservative for you? Really? *NM* - 11/11/2010 05:22:59 PM 429 Views
Yes. I come from a country where she would be seen as quite right-wing politician. - 13/11/2010 12:29:26 AM 686 Views
Wow, what qualifies as far to the left in Sweden? - 13/11/2010 01:52:40 AM 650 Views
Leftist anarchist. - 15/11/2010 05:50:10 PM 932 Views
Yes, that would fit, thanks - 16/11/2010 01:29:35 AM 693 Views

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