I wouldn't expect anything less of him. *NM*
everynametaken Send a noteboard - 08/11/2010 02:28:36 AM
Pope Benedict attacked abortion and gay marriage, recently legalised in Spain, in a Mass today to consecrate Barcelona's iconic church in another pointed criticism of what he called Spain's "aggressive secularism".
Spain's legalisation of abortion on demand this year and gay marriage in 2005 have stoked tensions with the Vatican, but Madrid has tried to downplay any friction during the pope's two-day visit.
Hundreds of gay and lesbians protested the Church's position by kissing publicly as the pope passed by on his way to the fantastically embellished modernist Sagrada Familia, designed by Antoni Gaudi and under construction for 128 years.
"The Church resists every form of denial of human life and gives its support to everything that would promote the natural order in the sphere of the institution of the family," the pope said in the Mass.
He also said "the indissoluble love of a man and a woman is the effective context of human life in its gestation, birth, growth, and natural end," in a clear criticism of gay marriage.
Before Sunday the Sagrada Familia - which will eventually be able to seat more than 10,000 people - had never been used as a church. Gaudi died in 1926 and construction has been slow, funded only by visitor admission fees and donations.
It was not clear if the pope noticed the mass kiss protest in the midst of thousands of flag-waving supporters who cheered the pope as he rode by in a bullet-proof "pope mobile".
"We are here for a peaceful protest. The church oppresses us and doesn't respect us. . . . We can't tolerate this sort of pope in the 21st century," said Eduardo Prado, one of about 300 men and women who participated in the so-called queerkissflashmob.
Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero promoted the legalisation of gay marriage, including adoption rights, and a law allowing abortion on demand for women 16 years and older during the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
Spain, where 76 per cent of the population consider themselves Catholic, was the third country in the world to legalise homosexual marriage.
Pope Benedict, on his second visit to Spain since he was elected, drew criticism from leftist commentators for remarks he made on his flight to the country on Saturday when he said the country was going through a period of "aggressive secularism like we saw in the 1930s".
The pope called for a "re-evangelisation" of Spain, which has produced some of the most influential Catholics in history.
The pontiff today praised the Sagrada Familia, which when completed will have 18 soaring towers representing important figures of Christianity as well as intricate sculptures detailing Jesus's life. The name of the church means Holy Family in English.
"Gaudi, by opening his spirit to God, was capable of creating in this city a space of beauty, faith and hope which leads man to an encounter with him who is truth and beauty itself," the pope said during his homily.
Reuters
Well I guess this isn't going to improve my opinion of the man. I think it's a positive move on Spain's part to have legalised gay marriage and abortion. I hope Ireland would follow suit, although I don't see it happening in the next few years at least.
Still, it's good to see that cathedral will be used officially now. Hopefully it means they'll get the funding to finish the thing soon.
Spain's legalisation of abortion on demand this year and gay marriage in 2005 have stoked tensions with the Vatican, but Madrid has tried to downplay any friction during the pope's two-day visit.
Hundreds of gay and lesbians protested the Church's position by kissing publicly as the pope passed by on his way to the fantastically embellished modernist Sagrada Familia, designed by Antoni Gaudi and under construction for 128 years.
"The Church resists every form of denial of human life and gives its support to everything that would promote the natural order in the sphere of the institution of the family," the pope said in the Mass.
He also said "the indissoluble love of a man and a woman is the effective context of human life in its gestation, birth, growth, and natural end," in a clear criticism of gay marriage.
Before Sunday the Sagrada Familia - which will eventually be able to seat more than 10,000 people - had never been used as a church. Gaudi died in 1926 and construction has been slow, funded only by visitor admission fees and donations.
It was not clear if the pope noticed the mass kiss protest in the midst of thousands of flag-waving supporters who cheered the pope as he rode by in a bullet-proof "pope mobile".
"We are here for a peaceful protest. The church oppresses us and doesn't respect us. . . . We can't tolerate this sort of pope in the 21st century," said Eduardo Prado, one of about 300 men and women who participated in the so-called queerkissflashmob.
Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero promoted the legalisation of gay marriage, including adoption rights, and a law allowing abortion on demand for women 16 years and older during the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
Spain, where 76 per cent of the population consider themselves Catholic, was the third country in the world to legalise homosexual marriage.
Pope Benedict, on his second visit to Spain since he was elected, drew criticism from leftist commentators for remarks he made on his flight to the country on Saturday when he said the country was going through a period of "aggressive secularism like we saw in the 1930s".
The pope called for a "re-evangelisation" of Spain, which has produced some of the most influential Catholics in history.
The pontiff today praised the Sagrada Familia, which when completed will have 18 soaring towers representing important figures of Christianity as well as intricate sculptures detailing Jesus's life. The name of the church means Holy Family in English.
"Gaudi, by opening his spirit to God, was capable of creating in this city a space of beauty, faith and hope which leads man to an encounter with him who is truth and beauty itself," the pope said during his homily.
Reuters
Well I guess this isn't going to improve my opinion of the man. I think it's a positive move on Spain's part to have legalised gay marriage and abortion. I hope Ireland would follow suit, although I don't see it happening in the next few years at least.
Still, it's good to see that cathedral will be used officially now. Hopefully it means they'll get the funding to finish the thing soon.
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Pope criticises gay marriage and abortion at cathedral consecration in Spain
07/11/2010 08:18:06 PM
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Can't wait to see what he says about sanctity of life next time he's in TX....
07/11/2010 08:51:41 PM
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You know, next time you tell people to not reopen certain debates...
07/11/2010 09:28:21 PM
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Does Spain distinguish between secular and sacramental marriage?
08/11/2010 01:10:47 AM
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I would assume so, but can't say for sure.
08/11/2010 10:27:01 AM
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Well, that's the out then.
08/11/2010 11:00:14 PM
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I'm more looking forward to how the Texans affirm their support for the institution like Spain
09/11/2010 11:36:16 PM
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The Catholic Church as a whole is opposed to capital punishment, and is fairly vocal about it.
09/11/2010 11:55:18 PM
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But that's personal issues of the clergy and whatnot involved. It's not doctrine
13/11/2010 02:20:38 AM
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Spain doesn't have to deal with Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause.
10/11/2010 12:25:05 PM
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Re: Spain doesn't have to deal with Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause.
13/11/2010 02:25:01 AM
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Now that is the way to protest against the Pope. I wish people had thought of that here. *NM*
07/11/2010 09:02:51 PM
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The girl on girl kissing? Hell, yeah.
07/11/2010 09:23:17 PM
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you must have the Ugly lesbian Club in your area
07/11/2010 09:28:02 PM
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Re: you must have the Ugly lesbian Club in your area
07/11/2010 10:05:58 PM
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she's lesbian.
07/11/2010 10:32:37 PM
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Re: she's lesbian.
08/11/2010 01:14:32 AM
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lol sorry. I wasn't trying to come off all offended or like I was trying to spoil your joke
08/11/2010 01:26:54 AM
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Referring to the 1930s and then talking of re-evangelization is a rather painful gaffe, I must say.
07/11/2010 09:13:19 PM
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dang. how big and fancy is this cathedral going to be? *NM*
07/11/2010 09:28:44 PM
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Huge, but mostly it's just been built very slowly for financial reasons.
08/11/2010 10:23:32 AM
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Uh yeah because Franco was worse than the communists....
08/11/2010 03:43:55 AM
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Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
08/11/2010 10:17:10 AM
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Re: Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
08/11/2010 03:31:45 PM
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Re: Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
08/11/2010 10:28:01 PM
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Re: Was he worse? We'll never know, seeing how he was the one that came out on top.
09/11/2010 10:24:38 AM
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Ah, classic communist logic.
09/11/2010 08:17:48 PM
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I wouldn't expect anything less of him. *NM*
08/11/2010 02:28:36 AM
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Yeah, wouldn't it be hilariously awesome if he was, like, "Dudes, gay marriage ain't so bad." *NM*
08/11/2010 02:58:48 AM
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Again: The Pope doesn't oppress anyone.
08/11/2010 03:40:19 AM
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Awesome, except he's attacking people leaving, too. *NM*
08/11/2010 04:30:02 AM
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I would too.
08/11/2010 05:08:37 AM
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well fine, but you're telling them to leave, and attacking them for doing so.
08/11/2010 07:18:45 PM
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And here come the ad hominem attacks.
08/11/2010 09:32:23 PM
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No, it's more like a boss firing an employee and then bitching about them leaving. *NM*
08/11/2010 10:43:56 PM
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Did you hear the Church have stopped approving applications for people to officially leave,
08/11/2010 07:13:15 PM
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Not at all.
08/11/2010 09:29:29 PM
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Yeah, I'm with Dragonsoul on this one
08/11/2010 09:39:13 PM
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It makes a difference when they use your name as part of a statistic
09/11/2010 12:28:51 AM
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08/11/2010 05:24:46 PM
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This is funny.
09/11/2010 08:42:52 PM
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I often wonder the same thing, think about the sheer quantity of proven pedophile priests, then...
13/11/2010 11:07:39 PM
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