raw milk is banned because of the potential of illness.
LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 06:20:01 PM
Yes, if you buy your raw milk direct from the supplier, AND the supplier's milk is pathogen free, AND you drink it before it goes sour (quicker than pasteurized milk), raw milk is fine and dandy.
But if a single piece of the chain goes wrong, you have a serious public health issue, particularly if you're talking about a large supplier.
And let me ASSURE you. Pathogen-free milk is nearly impossible. I swear to god every other bacteria we talk about in vet school that affects cows can be passed in the milk, and some of them are commensal bacteria, and there are even parasites that can be passed through the milk (Not a cow example, but there's been cases of Toxoplasma being passed through unpasteurized goat's milk). This is not an industry-only problem that organic cows are somehow immune to. Pasture-raised cows are actually MORE prone to parasitic infection, actually, which can predispose to other illness.
If you feel that we'd be better off merely regulating the sale of raw milk instead of banning it, that's fair enough. But to disregard the serious public health issues surrounding raw milk is irresponsible and ignorant.
EDIT: BTW, I think you'll find that raw milk is not actually illegal anywhere. The Sale and Distribution of raw milk is illegal. No one is going to stop you from drinking your own raw milk, and, honestly, no one is going to stop your neighbor from giving it to you.
But if a single piece of the chain goes wrong, you have a serious public health issue, particularly if you're talking about a large supplier.
And let me ASSURE you. Pathogen-free milk is nearly impossible. I swear to god every other bacteria we talk about in vet school that affects cows can be passed in the milk, and some of them are commensal bacteria, and there are even parasites that can be passed through the milk (Not a cow example, but there's been cases of Toxoplasma being passed through unpasteurized goat's milk). This is not an industry-only problem that organic cows are somehow immune to. Pasture-raised cows are actually MORE prone to parasitic infection, actually, which can predispose to other illness.
If you feel that we'd be better off merely regulating the sale of raw milk instead of banning it, that's fair enough. But to disregard the serious public health issues surrounding raw milk is irresponsible and ignorant.
EDIT: BTW, I think you'll find that raw milk is not actually illegal anywhere. The Sale and Distribution of raw milk is illegal. No one is going to stop you from drinking your own raw milk, and, honestly, no one is going to stop your neighbor from giving it to you.
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San Francisco Bans The Happy Meal
04/11/2010 04:00:12 AM
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Is't it nice that we have the Food Gestapo to tell us what we can and can't eat? *NM*
04/11/2010 04:46:04 AM
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It doesn't say anything about what you can and can't eat, it just says you can't be rewarded with
04/11/2010 11:25:31 AM
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For someone ostensibly obsessed with Germany, you sure enjoy trivializing the Holocaust. *NM*
04/11/2010 11:56:49 PM
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The term has also come to mean an overly authoritarian and repressive organization
05/11/2010 05:54:45 AM
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now, they only really banned the toy that comes with the happy meal if it doesn't meet guidelines
04/11/2010 06:32:46 AM
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the government should not have to right to say how I feed my child
04/11/2010 01:37:41 PM
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I find feeding happy meals to children far more appalling.
04/11/2010 01:39:13 PM
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the government limits the kind of advertising your child sees during saturday morning cartoons
04/11/2010 03:36:47 PM
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that isn't even close to the same thing
04/11/2010 04:15:09 PM
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Don't forget the removal of more and more activity.
05/11/2010 12:32:03 AM
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yeah that is why kids are getting fat
05/11/2010 04:26:38 AM
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wow, ever consider that political leanings have nothing to do with my opinion
05/11/2010 11:59:15 AM
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your the one who wanted to bring your politics into it
05/11/2010 12:23:08 PM
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uhm, what? I said no such thing.
05/11/2010 12:33:22 PM
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it is exactly the same thing you're just trying to dance around the issue
05/11/2010 06:31:26 AM
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saying something does not make it true
05/11/2010 12:17:00 PM
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I wouldn't touch the metric system with a 1.038m pole *NM*
04/11/2010 10:47:51 AM
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The law is just fighting a small symptom of a much bigger problem
04/11/2010 11:24:19 AM
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yes
04/11/2010 11:47:47 AM
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But they are confronted with a lot of idiot parents that create a lot of idiot children
05/11/2010 08:18:54 AM
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100% agree, in respect to this and other related subjects.
04/11/2010 01:42:32 PM
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I don't think the toy is that big of a draw for kids, really.
04/11/2010 05:11:10 PM
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The toys were a definite draw for mine
05/11/2010 08:20:05 AM
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Perhaps
05/11/2010 07:41:17 PM
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You're using yourself as an example at an age when the effect will be less anyway
06/11/2010 07:11:11 AM
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Not a big fan of that decision, either. As for introducing the metric system: would be past time.
04/11/2010 12:01:41 PM
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Here in Aus we have fruit bags, and water etc. options for Happy Meals
04/11/2010 12:32:16 PM
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The healthier variety is starting to become more common in kids meals.
04/11/2010 12:50:44 PM
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milk or juice have ALWAYS been options, and every mcdonalds i've been to has offered the apples. *NM*
04/11/2010 01:36:34 PM
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Too bad milk and juice are horrible choices too. *NM*
04/11/2010 10:54:36 PM
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uhmm, bullshit.
04/11/2010 11:39:09 PM
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Juice is nothing but sugar and milk as healthy is debatable.
05/11/2010 12:37:34 AM
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juice is not just sugar.
05/11/2010 02:11:12 AM
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Here. not the best source, but assuming the nutritionist's analyzer was correct...
05/11/2010 02:24:18 AM
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I'm not talking about juicing vegetables and fresh fruit.
05/11/2010 03:06:54 AM
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no it was not clear. You merely said "Juice"
05/11/2010 03:16:01 AM
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Milk is delicious. And it (when low-fat/skim) isn't actively bad for you.
05/11/2010 03:33:53 AM
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I know, but...just...EW.
05/11/2010 03:43:49 AM
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Agreed, as long as it's treated the right way (i.e. not the American way). *NM*
05/11/2010 09:56:16 AM
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Please elaborate.
05/11/2010 01:27:45 PM
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I remember the first time I came to Northern America (Canada, then) and tried drinking milk...
05/11/2010 04:44:01 PM
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You can get UHT milk
05/11/2010 04:47:53 PM
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Yeah, no doubt - you can get most anything in the US, but not necessarily easily.
05/11/2010 05:46:59 PM
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I live in a big enough city you can get pretty much anything you want
05/11/2010 07:02:44 PM
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How about the water?
05/11/2010 06:24:09 PM
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I remember when I lived in Germany, I found warm, boxed milk to be one of the stranger oddities.
05/11/2010 08:57:42 PM
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so what do you think kids should drink?
05/11/2010 04:28:36 AM
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Do this little experiment. Please.
05/11/2010 12:53:49 PM
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that is why my kids drinks milk or water and not juice 99% of time
05/11/2010 02:03:08 PM
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Of course!
05/11/2010 02:11:35 PM
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I am fighting my wife right now over the yogurt in a tube crap
05/11/2010 02:35:41 PM
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Ha! You should do the sugar measuring with her. It'll show her how much is in that 1 little tube. *NM*
05/11/2010 04:00:55 PM
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they have the option but i'm sure that fruit has 1200mg of sodium in it somehow *NM*
05/11/2010 06:35:36 AM
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I'm going to go set up the black market for happy meals in San Francisco.
04/11/2010 01:21:34 PM
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so in otherwords...Happy Meals in San Francisco don't come with toys anymore?
04/11/2010 01:38:03 PM
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This is pretty stupid.
04/11/2010 02:13:17 PM
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That part was a bit of hyperbole, I'm afraid. *NM*
04/11/2010 03:01:52 PM
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Not very much!
04/11/2010 03:04:58 PM
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I feel so exploited now
04/11/2010 03:31:26 PM
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*dons detective hat* Very interesting...
04/11/2010 03:35:08 PM
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Re: *dons detective hat* Very interesting...
04/11/2010 03:57:04 PM
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Another hint
04/11/2010 04:02:54 PM
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Re: Another hint
04/11/2010 04:23:28 PM
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Ah, Republicans and sex scandals. They go together like beer and kebabs,
04/11/2010 04:29:19 PM
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All we need is for someone else to pay for our national defense and we can do it *NM*
04/11/2010 04:16:28 PM
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They should ban something which may have effect instead.
04/11/2010 02:27:05 PM
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The toys do have effect. It's a positive reinforcer to eating the meal.
04/11/2010 10:57:49 PM
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What a bunch of morons.
04/11/2010 06:45:31 PM
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these are the same people who keep sending Pelosi back year after year *NM*
04/11/2010 06:49:16 PM
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I accidentally posted this in the wrong spot. I reposted below to the original thread.
04/11/2010 11:22:32 PM
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Re:
05/11/2010 12:02:41 AM
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I'm not sure what your point is.
05/11/2010 12:42:14 AM
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That fast food is not inherently bad/unhealthy.
05/11/2010 01:16:51 AM
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Re: That fast food is not inherently bad/unhealthy.
05/11/2010 04:17:27 AM
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In that case: Yes, there's always a new meat sack/flesh puppet around the next corner. *NM*
05/11/2010 09:38:57 PM
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Many here don't seem to understand the purpose of the toy.
05/11/2010 12:43:27 AM
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kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat
05/11/2010 04:37:43 AM
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Re: kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat
05/11/2010 06:27:21 PM
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without a doubt parents need to be aware of marketing used to influence their kids
05/11/2010 07:29:06 PM
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Your overly-simplified psychology is wrong
05/11/2010 01:58:55 PM
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raw milk is banned because of the potential of illness.
05/11/2010 06:20:01 PM
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You miss my point (or helped me make it)
05/11/2010 07:58:59 PM
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because raw milk SALE AND DISTRIBUTION does not only affect the individual.
05/11/2010 08:37:10 PM
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Excuse me, I have a degree in psychology and I have oversimplified nothing.
05/11/2010 06:42:24 PM
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Like others have said...
05/11/2010 08:03:09 PM
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if they wanted to have a real impact they would ban drive throughs *NM*
05/11/2010 04:39:52 AM
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Yet again government not letting people make their own decisions
10/11/2010 03:01:15 AM
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