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Many here don't seem to understand the purpose of the toy. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 12:43:27 AM
You are misunderstanding the importance of the toy. Following the meal with a toy reinforces the behavior so that in similar circumstances in the future the child is more likely to repeat the behavior in expectation of the reinforcer (not the food). Desiring the happy meal has less to do with a kid wanting the happy meal versus the kid wanting the toy. And a toy is a pretty strong reinforcer for a child.

The best part of it all is that the process of reinforcement doesn't even have to be conscious, it doesn't have to be thought out in terms of expecting a reward. Truly, most reinforcement and learning is not a conscious act at all. This is Behaviorism and Learning Theory 101. The companies didn't just pull the idea of a kid's meal out of their asses, they planned it with a complete understanding of how learning and behavior work.

By the way, what do you think things like Monopoly or rewards programs are? They are reinforcers for adults and boy do they work. McDonalds cashes in on repeat business every time they run their Monopoly contest as people pile in to get their stickers (not eat because they are hungry).

That isn't to say that I think the government should legislate happy meals. I still think it is the parent or parents' responsibility to monitor the behavior of their child(ren) but don't just poo poo this as ridiculous. The toy is definitely a well planned out psychological manipulation that the companies know full well they are doing. If I were to support the government doing anything though I would support them sending a pamphlet to their citizens explaining how they're being hoodwinked by companies who want to sell them really bad food until they croak from disease and can't buy it anymore.
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San Francisco Bans The Happy Meal - 04/11/2010 04:00:12 AM 1903 Views
Great. Now I'll never finish my Polly Pocket army. *NM* - 04/11/2010 05:10:26 AM 533 Views
now, they only really banned the toy that comes with the happy meal if it doesn't meet guidelines - 04/11/2010 06:32:46 AM 1206 Views
yup - 04/11/2010 09:23:44 AM 1231 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:36:53 AM 468 Views
Yes *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:59:52 AM 519 Views
the government should not have to right to say how I feed my child - 04/11/2010 01:37:41 PM 1041 Views
I find feeding happy meals to children far more appalling. - 04/11/2010 01:39:13 PM 994 Views
what you like to eat really isn't the point though - 04/11/2010 02:13:31 PM 1139 Views
I know, I was just saying that McDonald's is crappy, period - 04/11/2010 02:16:19 PM 979 Views
the government limits the kind of advertising your child sees during saturday morning cartoons - 04/11/2010 03:36:47 PM 933 Views
that isn't even close to the same thing - 04/11/2010 04:15:09 PM 1040 Views
Don't forget the removal of more and more activity. - 05/11/2010 12:32:03 AM 897 Views
yeah that is why kids are getting fat - 05/11/2010 04:26:38 AM 937 Views
wow, ever consider that political leanings have nothing to do with my opinion - 05/11/2010 11:59:15 AM 1120 Views
your the one who wanted to bring your politics into it - 05/11/2010 12:23:08 PM 971 Views
uhm, what? I said no such thing. - 05/11/2010 12:33:22 PM 1117 Views
maybe I spend to much time arguing with Joel - 05/11/2010 02:20:34 PM 1046 Views
that is likely the case - 05/11/2010 03:26:46 PM 1154 Views
it is exactly the same thing you're just trying to dance around the issue - 05/11/2010 06:31:26 AM 1119 Views
saying something does not make it true - 05/11/2010 12:17:00 PM 1109 Views
what choices are you being denied? - 05/11/2010 02:59:00 PM 962 Views
well I can't buy my kid a happy meal with toy in it - 05/11/2010 04:43:44 PM 959 Views
The metric system rocks *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:18:29 AM 656 Views
Good! *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:36:21 AM 661 Views
I wouldn't touch the metric system with a 1.038m pole *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:47:51 AM 636 Views
You mean 3.048m (10 feet) *NM* - 04/11/2010 05:22:58 PM 606 Views
Yes...don't know where I got 1.038m from *NM* - 05/11/2010 01:24:21 AM 620 Views
The law is just fighting a small symptom of a much bigger problem - 04/11/2010 11:24:19 AM 1288 Views
yes - 04/11/2010 11:47:47 AM 1333 Views
make something idiot-proof and we'll just make better idiots... - 05/11/2010 06:33:54 AM 967 Views
100% agree, in respect to this and other related subjects. - 04/11/2010 01:42:32 PM 1181 Views
why do you think Wendy's is more healthy than McDonalds? - 05/11/2010 04:30:54 AM 1152 Views
it's not MUCH more healthy. - 05/11/2010 12:00:31 PM 966 Views
I don't think the toy is that big of a draw for kids, really. - 04/11/2010 05:11:10 PM 1010 Views
The toys were a definite draw for mine - 05/11/2010 08:20:05 AM 1050 Views
Perhaps - 05/11/2010 07:41:17 PM 1168 Views
Here in Aus we have fruit bags, and water etc. options for Happy Meals - 04/11/2010 12:32:16 PM 1017 Views
The healthier variety is starting to become more common in kids meals. - 04/11/2010 12:50:44 PM 1137 Views
milk or juice have ALWAYS been options, and every mcdonalds i've been to has offered the apples. *NM* - 04/11/2010 01:36:34 PM 597 Views
Too bad milk and juice are horrible choices too. *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:54:36 PM 635 Views
uhmm, bullshit. - 04/11/2010 11:39:09 PM 1161 Views
Juice is nothing but sugar and milk as healthy is debatable. - 05/11/2010 12:37:34 AM 1157 Views
juice is not just sugar. - 05/11/2010 02:11:12 AM 1125 Views
I'm not talking about juicing vegetables and fresh fruit. - 05/11/2010 03:06:54 AM 1082 Views
no it was not clear. You merely said "Juice" - 05/11/2010 03:16:01 AM 1141 Views
Milk is delicious. And it (when low-fat/skim) isn't actively bad for you. - 05/11/2010 03:33:53 AM 923 Views
I know, but...just...EW. - 05/11/2010 03:43:49 AM 1212 Views
but it is yummy and you make yummy things out of it - 05/11/2010 02:47:37 PM 935 Views
I like the yummy foods made, I admit. - 05/11/2010 03:35:28 PM 981 Views
Agreed, as long as it's treated the right way (i.e. not the American way). *NM* - 05/11/2010 09:56:16 AM 607 Views
Please elaborate. - 05/11/2010 01:27:45 PM 1110 Views
I remember the first time I came to Northern America (Canada, then) and tried drinking milk... - 05/11/2010 04:44:01 PM 1160 Views
You can get UHT milk - 05/11/2010 04:47:53 PM 990 Views
I think what you describe... - 05/11/2010 05:21:35 PM 1100 Views
Indeed it is. - 05/11/2010 05:49:48 PM 1022 Views
How about the water? - 05/11/2010 06:24:09 PM 964 Views
No idea... didn't really notice anything there. - 05/11/2010 06:40:16 PM 1089 Views
Tap water in Philly tasted sooo much like chlorine - 08/11/2010 11:43:36 AM 1079 Views
No UHT in Scandinavia, though - 05/11/2010 06:34:17 PM 1117 Views
Oh yeah, that UHT milk is evil. *NM* - 05/11/2010 09:30:35 PM 609 Views
OK. My bad. - 05/11/2010 04:11:53 AM 1208 Views
Re: juice is not just sugar. - 05/11/2010 01:11:06 PM 1043 Views
so what do you think kids should drink? - 05/11/2010 04:28:36 AM 1087 Views
Do this little experiment. Please. - 05/11/2010 12:53:49 PM 959 Views
that is why my kids drinks milk or water and not juice 99% of time - 05/11/2010 02:03:08 PM 1020 Views
Of course! - 05/11/2010 02:11:35 PM 1151 Views
I am fighting my wife right now over the yogurt in a tube crap - 05/11/2010 02:35:41 PM 941 Views
Ok did some math. - 05/11/2010 04:35:48 PM 1199 Views
she buys Horizon which is 57 grams 10 of which are sugar - 05/11/2010 05:16:22 PM 1050 Views
I'm with you on this one. *NM* - 05/11/2010 12:37:59 PM 597 Views
it is - 04/11/2010 02:11:44 PM 1268 Views
This is pretty stupid. - 04/11/2010 02:13:17 PM 1127 Views
That part was a bit of hyperbole, I'm afraid. *NM* - 04/11/2010 03:01:52 PM 626 Views
Not very much! - 04/11/2010 03:04:58 PM 1020 Views
And - 04/11/2010 03:17:34 PM 1206 Views
Re: And - 04/11/2010 03:27:12 PM 1133 Views
You know what? - 04/11/2010 03:35:54 PM 901 Views
I feel so exploited now - 04/11/2010 03:31:26 PM 1327 Views
*dons detective hat* Very interesting... - 04/11/2010 03:35:08 PM 931 Views
Re: *dons detective hat* Very interesting... - 04/11/2010 03:57:04 PM 1169 Views
Another hint - 04/11/2010 04:02:54 PM 1074 Views
Re: Another hint - 04/11/2010 04:23:28 PM 1114 Views
Ah, Republicans and sex scandals. They go together like beer and kebabs, - 04/11/2010 04:29:19 PM 971 Views
So, that would make him mexican? *NM* - 04/11/2010 06:54:03 PM 605 Views
Hmm - 04/11/2010 04:27:00 PM 1012 Views
40 hours? Really? - 06/11/2010 06:59:57 PM 1097 Views
Wow. *NM* - 04/11/2010 11:56:45 PM 607 Views
No kidding. *NM* - 05/11/2010 03:08:20 AM 586 Views
All we need is for someone else to pay for our national defense and we can do it *NM* - 04/11/2010 04:16:28 PM 622 Views
That makes me even less likely to enjoy those last 8 hours. - 09/11/2010 03:12:53 PM 963 Views
They should ban something which may have effect instead. - 04/11/2010 02:27:05 PM 1192 Views
The toys do have effect. It's a positive reinforcer to eating the meal. - 04/11/2010 10:57:49 PM 920 Views
So it's back to being a small cheeseburger meal then? *NM* - 04/11/2010 02:30:34 PM 629 Views
What a bunch of morons. - 04/11/2010 06:45:31 PM 1184 Views
these are the same people who keep sending Pelosi back year after year *NM* - 04/11/2010 06:49:16 PM 468 Views
I accidentally posted this in the wrong spot. I reposted below to the original thread. - 04/11/2010 11:22:32 PM 1124 Views
Re: - 05/11/2010 12:02:41 AM 973 Views
I'm not sure what your point is. - 05/11/2010 12:42:14 AM 930 Views
That fast food is not inherently bad/unhealthy. - 05/11/2010 01:16:51 AM 1139 Views
Many here don't seem to understand the purpose of the toy. - 05/11/2010 12:43:27 AM 1174 Views
I think you should assume we're not idiots - 05/11/2010 02:05:51 AM 999 Views
I never said anybody was an idiot. - 05/11/2010 04:09:51 AM 1307 Views
kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat - 05/11/2010 04:37:43 AM 1217 Views
This. - 05/11/2010 02:00:32 PM 938 Views
Re: kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat - 05/11/2010 06:27:21 PM 1083 Views
Your overly-simplified psychology is wrong - 05/11/2010 01:58:55 PM 1136 Views
raw milk is banned because of the potential of illness. - 05/11/2010 06:20:01 PM 1089 Views
You miss my point (or helped me make it) - 05/11/2010 07:58:59 PM 978 Views
because raw milk SALE AND DISTRIBUTION does not only affect the individual. - 05/11/2010 08:37:10 PM 1271 Views
Excuse me, I have a degree in psychology and I have oversimplified nothing. - 05/11/2010 06:42:24 PM 1236 Views
Like others have said... - 05/11/2010 08:03:09 PM 1170 Views
Jesus Christ. Are you daft or what? - 05/11/2010 11:04:41 PM 956 Views
silly rabbit, science is for suckers!! - 06/11/2010 12:28:31 AM 1041 Views
psychology is a pseudoscience - 10/11/2010 07:13:52 PM 1741 Views
Well - 06/11/2010 07:27:51 PM 1252 Views
As a mother of a Wongy Junior all of 9 years... - 08/11/2010 03:07:00 AM 1257 Views
if they wanted to have a real impact they would ban drive throughs *NM* - 05/11/2010 04:39:52 AM 584 Views
My opinion: This is bad form. - 05/11/2010 01:18:25 PM 1074 Views
oO but that's what's so AMAZINGLY DELICIOUS about soda.. - 06/11/2010 02:02:45 AM 1098 Views
Yet again government not letting people make their own decisions - 10/11/2010 03:01:15 AM 1174 Views

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