Let's keep in mind that the first amendment is there to protect unpopular speech, popular speech has never needed protection, no one ever gets dragged away by secret police in the middle of the night for saying how much they like their dictator.
In a nutshell.
I'm sure you've noticed by now that a lot of the objections people have been raising are phrased in a way that makes it pretty obvious that if the word 'islam' had been replaced with something else they wouldn't care, or would say the school was overreacting because the schoolboard was full of nuts, or alternatively a lot the people mention free speech here would have been frothing at the mouth if it had said something else. You take two speerate blind groups and have one where a kid walked in wearing a shirt that said 'save the whales' and another that said 'nuke the whales' and watch as both groups have people scream holy heck that would have shrugged if they'd seen the other shirt. A small sliver will be those who liked the shirt and still say 'We shouldn't have messages on shirts in a public school full of minors' and another small group that hates the shirt but goes ballistic when someone tries to ban it. Those two tiny slivers 'get it', the others are just self-selective when it comes to getting offended.
Personally, the existance of that self-selective morals majority is what I blame 99% of the worlds problems and atrocities on. For every blistering insane psychopath sneaking into power you have a thousand 'innocent bystanders' turning a blind eye or shrugging. But I'm rambling off on a morbid streak here, I'm sure you get my point.
I don't really agree that protecting free speech is the same thing as allowing disruptive slogans in school. Period. I'd fight to have my right to say/think whatever I want when I want to, but seriously, in school, when kids are already eager for ways to distract themselves and cause problems, it shouldn't be allowed. My sister's kids go to a school that requires uniforms for just this reason, and everybody is fine with that. Unless that's what you meant by the "small sliver that gets it," in which case, carry on. I do agree with the last paragraph.
Well, I referenced two small slivers that I thought got it, and that was one. The other were the sort that would say the shirt was fine. Of the two, I happen to be with the former, I rather approve of school uniforms - big surprise, I'm in the military, I like rigid dress codes in work environs and regard school as such - but barring those I tend to feel it's perfectly fine to have a 'no message' policy. The especially vociferous free-speechers that make up the other sliver, while I'd disagree with them on this score, do understand the purpose of free speech is not supposed to be "I get to say whatever I want, but turn a blind eye when people try to stop somebody else doing the same". So while I happen to disagree that limiting distractive expression would endanger rights in this sort of case, I appreciate where they are coming from more than I do the loads of people who I consider to have very mercurial ethics where liberty is concerned.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Islam is of the Devil
06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM
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This statement got me:
06/09/2009 06:30:16 AM
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What you say about those places may be true
06/09/2009 02:16:30 PM
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Regardless...
07/09/2009 04:34:48 AM
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Re: Regardless...
07/09/2009 06:10:18 AM
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I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims.
08/09/2009 07:11:13 PM
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You are free to wear offensive clothing
08/09/2009 08:13:18 PM
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There is a difference between hatred and truth.
09/09/2009 04:04:02 PM
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You do know christans have done that as well don't you?
09/09/2009 06:04:28 PM
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The difference is...
09/09/2009 06:16:13 PM
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really have you actaully read the Qur'an
09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM
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Acrually No I don't.
09/09/2009 07:52:19 PM
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Someone should have told Jesus the OT was void
09/09/2009 10:31:39 PM
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Jesus was the one who voided it.
10/09/2009 12:25:18 AM
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Logicaly, this is a stupid post.
06/09/2009 03:58:43 PM
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As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM*
07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM
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Because I can.
07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM
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So can he.
07/09/2009 07:54:56 PM
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Yes
08/09/2009 05:59:24 AM
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It means a lot in context to the situation
08/09/2009 07:14:50 PM
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No, it does not.
08/09/2009 07:20:49 PM
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So now you can tell me what I can and can't do with my children?
08/09/2009 11:31:16 PM
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I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school.
08/09/2009 11:59:21 PM
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Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school.
09/09/2009 04:10:19 PM
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Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school.
09/09/2009 04:27:32 PM
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Define "disruptive".
09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM
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The thing I think you are missing...
06/09/2009 07:18:45 PM
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Wait, what?
06/09/2009 08:29:14 PM
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That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM*
06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM
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I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like.
08/09/2009 01:40:42 AM
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Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like.
08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM
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"Their government" is the American government. *NM*
08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM
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And yet I don't see CAIR..
09/09/2009 04:07:05 PM
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Really?
08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM
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Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like.
08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM
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I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note
06/09/2009 06:46:58 AM
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I believe the rest of the Church has done a horrible job explaining...
06/09/2009 08:02:25 PM
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The appropriate punishment...
07/09/2009 06:03:25 AM
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Punishment for what?
07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM
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When did I say anything about a law?
07/09/2009 10:48:09 AM
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Since were talking about the law, not your opinion of right an wrong, it's sort of a default
09/09/2009 05:01:08 PM
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Eh... I wish you were right, but I don't think you are.
10/09/2009 03:50:18 AM
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Morse isn't a bad example
10/09/2009 11:23:32 AM
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Fair enough. I'm just a little overzealous with what I see as infringements on civil liberties.
15/09/2009 01:14:48 AM
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That's the key point so many forget:
07/09/2009 11:42:12 PM
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It's not that they forget, they never 'get' to begin with
09/09/2009 07:18:09 PM
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If I understand you
14/09/2009 03:05:39 PM
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Yes, that was it
14/09/2009 04:17:45 PM
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