I relate a little too well to what Wongers was saying, if for different reasons. Hell, I'm moving out the country in less than three weeks and have scarcely done a thing to prepare.
One of the main reasons I started The OF Blog back in August 2004 was because even then Mike was not active and I had to have an independent, separate center in order to draw more interest to OF for the reviews, interviews, and the like. Dom and Linda experienced some of this last year when they began to hob-nob with others in WoT Fandom; Mike never really interacted much with any but Jason and it was refreshing for other WoT fandom leaders to be able to get to know those who used to co-run (with others, of course) the old WoT MB during its last year or two.
Insularity stifles interaction and creativity. At times, the level of discussion at this site is in variety akin to three generations' worth of incestual unions gathering together for a country dance. If it weren't for say a half-dozen people (I'm maybe being too generous with that number), then how long would it take for the hoi polloi here to become aware of certain emerging trends in fiction? Since I never posted about it here, but I bet no more than 2-3 at this site even know that I'm up for an award that will be awarded at the Capclave Convention in two weeks and that is minor in comparison to knowing which are the "hottest" books of the past couple of years
It's difficult for me to disagree with much of that. I was always more about WoT and the CMB than I was about books, fiction or even fantasy, though that's probably my biggest single fiction interest. By the time I was introduced to WoT I'd pretty much given up on fantasy after at least a decade of fanaticism. Maybe Tolkien spoiled me, but it seemed like the whole genre was nothing but verbose wannabes like me. Frankly, I'm not sure much has changed; if you have a flair for marketing and no self respect you can make a pretty good living as a hack without the need for any actual talent, because the bottom line is the bottom line.
Inactivity stifles inactivity, too, though, and if I don't always agree with every decision made here it's not like there's a stampede of people presenting multiple other options. Sometimes I feel like it's just me and the Admins around here, and while it's awfully generous of them to provide me a place to rant, that's not a recipe for site longevity. The main reason the discussions have gotten both bitter and stale is because a lot of it is the same few people who stuck around as wotmania dwindled and died, now recycling the same debates they were having four or five years ago. One thing wotmania should've taught us we can't just rely on the Admins to generate all our content; even when they're willing, it's too great a demand for a healthy site. So I've tried to be around a bit more since I'm no longer working, but I do still have stuff to do, and it's hard for me to get too worked up about other books any more, in part because it's hard to find time to read them. One guy's not going to make the difference though, especially when he's still got some bitterness of his own.
We need fresh blood. We need reasons for people to BECOME fresh blood, and I think the less WoT fare we have the next couple years the less of those reasons we'll have. It's still a team effort though, and it wouldn't hurt a bit if more of us (including me) took advantage of the NON-WoT fare.
EDIT: Heh, tried so hard to word that correctly I completely forgot to say: Congrats on the nomination (and no, I hadn't heard) and good luck and God bless with the event and your travels.
Like I say, I only get my little slice of it, and it's really my own fault if I don't check in with The Thirteenth Depository or the OF Blog (sorry about that, guess I'd know if I was there more often ' /> let alone Dragonmount. Part of it is part of the problem Mike had: With a new full time (at least) job, an overseas courtship, life, sleep and everything else I just didn't have time to keep up with much of the online world; reading webcomics once a week was hard. That's changed a little since I've been off work the past month, but how much and how long will depend on my dentist, my insurance, my retirement managers and packing for Europe and a wedding.
Ultimately I think minimizing WoT content on RAFO would be a grave mistake any time in the next 2-3 years because that portion of the RAFO audience is bound to increase a great deal. Of course, that is, once again, from the outside looking in to things.
Ultimately I think minimizing WoT content on RAFO would be a grave mistake any time in the next 2-3 years because that portion of the RAFO audience is bound to increase a great deal. Of course, that is, once again, from the outside looking in to things.
One of the main reasons I started The OF Blog back in August 2004 was because even then Mike was not active and I had to have an independent, separate center in order to draw more interest to OF for the reviews, interviews, and the like. Dom and Linda experienced some of this last year when they began to hob-nob with others in WoT Fandom; Mike never really interacted much with any but Jason and it was refreshing for other WoT fandom leaders to be able to get to know those who used to co-run (with others, of course) the old WoT MB during its last year or two.
Insularity stifles interaction and creativity. At times, the level of discussion at this site is in variety akin to three generations' worth of incestual unions gathering together for a country dance. If it weren't for say a half-dozen people (I'm maybe being too generous with that number), then how long would it take for the hoi polloi here to become aware of certain emerging trends in fiction? Since I never posted about it here, but I bet no more than 2-3 at this site even know that I'm up for an award that will be awarded at the Capclave Convention in two weeks and that is minor in comparison to knowing which are the "hottest" books of the past couple of years
It's difficult for me to disagree with much of that. I was always more about WoT and the CMB than I was about books, fiction or even fantasy, though that's probably my biggest single fiction interest. By the time I was introduced to WoT I'd pretty much given up on fantasy after at least a decade of fanaticism. Maybe Tolkien spoiled me, but it seemed like the whole genre was nothing but verbose wannabes like me. Frankly, I'm not sure much has changed; if you have a flair for marketing and no self respect you can make a pretty good living as a hack without the need for any actual talent, because the bottom line is the bottom line.
Inactivity stifles inactivity, too, though, and if I don't always agree with every decision made here it's not like there's a stampede of people presenting multiple other options. Sometimes I feel like it's just me and the Admins around here, and while it's awfully generous of them to provide me a place to rant, that's not a recipe for site longevity. The main reason the discussions have gotten both bitter and stale is because a lot of it is the same few people who stuck around as wotmania dwindled and died, now recycling the same debates they were having four or five years ago. One thing wotmania should've taught us we can't just rely on the Admins to generate all our content; even when they're willing, it's too great a demand for a healthy site. So I've tried to be around a bit more since I'm no longer working, but I do still have stuff to do, and it's hard for me to get too worked up about other books any more, in part because it's hard to find time to read them. One guy's not going to make the difference though, especially when he's still got some bitterness of his own.
We need fresh blood. We need reasons for people to BECOME fresh blood, and I think the less WoT fare we have the next couple years the less of those reasons we'll have. It's still a team effort though, and it wouldn't hurt a bit if more of us (including me) took advantage of the NON-WoT fare.
EDIT: Heh, tried so hard to word that correctly I completely forgot to say: Congrats on the nomination (and no, I hadn't heard) and good luck and God bless with the event and your travels.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 16/10/2010 at 12:49:37 PM
>: [ So apparently none of us were good enough for wotmania....
09/10/2010 08:33:46 PM
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I want to know more about this!
09/10/2010 08:36:02 PM
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I know! I don't understand why they're using the wotmania domain name for this...
09/10/2010 09:45:26 PM
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I guess Jason offered a lot of money then? *NM*
09/10/2010 08:41:09 PM
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We were told it was about the "trust" that the wotmania members had put in Mike by signing up. *NM*
09/10/2010 08:46:11 PM
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Indeed. Imagine this has quashed any vestiges of good feeling towards the man. *NM*
09/10/2010 08:47:12 PM
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Yeah, I wasn't overly angry with Mike before, but that's changed *NM*
09/10/2010 08:58:51 PM
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Someone had already pointed this out in the other thread from a while back. It's bullshit.
09/10/2010 08:48:27 PM
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Huh. I completely missed that.
09/10/2010 08:49:52 PM
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I bet you say that a lot, Beks. *NM*
09/10/2010 09:01:22 PM
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nonsense. I will indulge in my internet RIGHT to nerdrage!!! *NM*
09/10/2010 08:50:46 PM
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Oh, I'm not saying don't be mad over it and don't talk about it.
09/10/2010 08:58:47 PM
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I don't know; pretty sure a redirect page isn't terribly rough on the servers. *NM*
09/10/2010 09:13:58 PM
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Of course it isn't, but he didn't have to do it.
09/10/2010 09:21:14 PM
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The dragonmount wotmania landing page with the redirect is still accesible if you google wotmania *NM*
09/10/2010 09:37:16 PM
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Truthfully (and I'm sure I've expressed some of this before at one point or another)...
11/10/2010 10:40:44 PM
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That's a little bit bum!
09/10/2010 09:01:21 PM
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For what it's worth, after A Memory of Light comes out Dragonmount will go down like a rock.
09/10/2010 09:44:27 PM
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good point, but that doesn't make me feel better about Mike being an ass *NM*
09/10/2010 09:46:18 PM
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Oddly it makes me feel better. He has a point. "Read and Find Out" is a timeless name.
10/10/2010 12:14:29 AM
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Right, like Planet Tolkien did after the Silmarillion.
10/10/2010 02:28:01 AM
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I essentially totally disagree with everything you said and its underlying premises. *NM*
10/10/2010 05:36:01 AM
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I just messaged dragonmount on twitter!
10/10/2010 12:02:56 AM
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Why would he name his movie site wotmania? *NM*
10/10/2010 12:12:09 AM
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He might have picked it as it has some recognition in the area he is making films
10/10/2010 12:25:52 AM
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He didn't, it just redirects there. And judging by the Twitter comment that wasn't on purpose. *NM*
10/10/2010 12:57:04 AM
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I'm not angry at anyone. Wotmania died aug 2009.
10/10/2010 02:04:57 AM
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It doesn't matter *why* it was wrong, it just was
10/10/2010 02:54:07 AM
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Point taken. And I am sorry for the loss of Wotmania, the way it used to be.
10/10/2010 08:15:59 AM
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*throws chocolate fudge at you*
10/10/2010 11:34:42 AM
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*returns fire w/ Marshmallow shooter!!*
10/10/2010 01:32:10 PM
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Re: >: [ So apparently none of us were good enough for wotmania....
10/10/2010 05:33:00 AM
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Too much bitterness yet.
10/10/2010 06:11:42 AM
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Well...
10/10/2010 06:47:49 AM
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I guess maybe that's fair.
10/10/2010 06:55:07 AM
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Insularity has been a problem for years now
10/10/2010 07:23:10 AM
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Re: Insularity has been a problem for years now
10/10/2010 05:44:27 PM
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I don't think most are well-versed, unfortunately
10/10/2010 06:52:49 PM
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With apologies for the delay.
16/10/2010 12:22:44 PM
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Dear Jason:
10/10/2010 08:44:47 AM
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This.
10/10/2010 11:27:36 AM
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I don't agree.
10/10/2010 11:40:25 AM
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Re: I don't agree.
10/10/2010 11:44:05 AM
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There is email... Or the Dragonmount forums...
10/10/2010 11:53:42 AM
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Agreed.
16/10/2010 01:21:50 PM
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I agree.
10/10/2010 01:52:27 PM
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And now Jason is free to make his own choices with the domain... *NM*
12/10/2010 11:30:54 AM
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Yes.
13/10/2010 12:14:07 AM
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Hi
10/10/2010 11:38:13 AM
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Re: Hi
10/10/2010 01:29:48 PM
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Unless someone is willing to buy the domain or he's willing to sell it, it's his.
10/10/2010 03:35:23 PM
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Stupid browser cache!
11/10/2010 03:01:09 PM
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Frankly, I agree, but having heard the arguments the other way, I can see that side.
16/10/2010 02:08:08 PM
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Classy response, Jason. Thank you for taking the time to let us know what was happening.
10/10/2010 06:46:32 PM
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