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And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM
them to judge other people.

Christianity comes in all kinds of flavors.

And we all hold opinions that are kernels of extremist thought, just not all of us extrapolate.

To an extent that's a fault in the leadership, and in one branch of Christianity I think much of it goes back a generation, maybe two, to a time when the hierarchy realized seminaries were producing priests whose understanding of doctrine was inversely proportional to their confidence in it. Rather than addressing that head on they chose to reorder the seminaries to produce priests with unshakable belief in official doctrine--even though that required them to be largely ignorant of said doctrine since they'd ignored the deeper problem. Ultimately though the onus is on the laity to read their bibles, pray and work out their salvation with fear and trembling. Unfortunately, many do such a poor job of this that it's possible for a man to state that last quote as "work out your kingdom with fear and trembling" and get away with making it part of a whole new religion.

So, yeah, he's not wrong, but you're definitely right. We're all sinners according to Christian doctrine, so no one can claim any superiority there: I came up short just like everyone else. However, just as there was no way to know at birth that I'd come to Christ and let Him bear my guilt there's no way of knowing that about anyone else, and it would be INCREDIBLY presumptuous of me to assume they're just hopeless doomed sinners. I'm certainly grateful a whole lot of people (starting with the Son of God Who died for me, in obedience to my Father) didn't do that to me.
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Love the Sinner - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1178 Views
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Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 782 Views
for ze record - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 673 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 339 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 695 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 686 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 677 Views
He was very frank but completely founded - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 747 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 773 Views
I'm not sure that is true - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 656 Views
I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 737 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 569 Views
Yes and no - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 831 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 302 Views
I would think... - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 726 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 763 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 301 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 707 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 678 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 740 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 746 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 731 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 765 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 775 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 632 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 760 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 737 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 777 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 782 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 682 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 704 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 692 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 675 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 764 Views
I mostly agree - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 831 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 645 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 705 Views
Interesting - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 996 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 591 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 281 Views
Okay my response now - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 729 Views
He becomes what he hates. - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 855 Views
Good stuff. *NM* - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 302 Views
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I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 812 Views
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It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 659 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 775 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 689 Views
I don't think there is any question... - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 709 Views
If I may quibble: - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 536 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 708 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 757 Views
He's bullying Christians - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 688 Views
I agree - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 787 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 890 Views

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