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Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM
It's tricky, because so many Gays embrace their... uh, Gay-ness, if you will, as a large part of their identity. For better or worse, they're promoting that difference and making it a prominent part of who they are. I realize some of this is in defiance of the norm, but it still goes to show that part of the "difference" is self-imposed.

Well they have a disagreement with you on the nature of sin. Gays are either A) Not Christian or B) Christian. They group of gays that fall under the part B) Christian have a fundamental disagreement with you on the nature of sin. They believe that being gay is an inherent part of their being, it was the way that God made them, since God made them that way they should not struggle against their nature. Instead they should embrace their nature, embrace their humanity and their own dignity, and through that dignity find a way to establish a relationship with God, a divine being that is infinite. It is through their own humanity that they can learn how to establish a relationship with something beyond themselves.

Many theologians argue that this is one reason that God made himself both man and God with his son Jesus Christ. It is through his son that we learn how to establish a relationship with the son and the father, it is through his son that we learn on the proper way to live.

Having a honest disagreement on how one views himself should not be a reason to devolve into an US vs Them arrangement. An honest disagreement on a world view doesn't even escalate to the area of "enemy" and yet Jesus said we should love our enemies. The world that Jesus lived in had hundreds of groups who had different world views of God, some were Roman, some were Jews, some were the other religions of the Mediterranean. Yet Jesus taught cooperation with all. His most potent parables were even about different branches of Judaism bickering over trivial details yet missing the bigger picture.

Unfortunately, Gays aren't the only people being bullied or committing suicide. Kids are vicious, regardless, but we should do what we can to stop bullying. (as it's cowardly and harmful)

Yes we should do whatever we can to stop bullying. But the reasons of a higher rate of suicide with Gays are showing we obviously aren't doing enough. When a rate of something is over 100% compared to the general population than that shows either two things:
1) There is something fundamentally different about the two populations (this is possible)
2) That the environment treats the two populations differently (which is what I find far more likely based on my experiences).
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Love the Sinner - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1178 Views
I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 710 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 650 Views
That is not what I think requires thought - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 656 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 782 Views
for ze record - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 673 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 339 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 695 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 686 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 677 Views
He was very frank but completely founded - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 747 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 773 Views
I'm not sure that is true - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 656 Views
I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 737 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 569 Views
Yes and no - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 831 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 302 Views
I would think... - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 726 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 763 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 301 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 707 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 678 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 740 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 746 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 731 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 765 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 775 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 632 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 760 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 737 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 777 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 782 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 682 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 704 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 692 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 675 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 764 Views
I mostly agree - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 831 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 645 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 705 Views
Interesting - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 996 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 591 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 281 Views
Okay my response now - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 729 Views
He becomes what he hates. - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 855 Views
Good stuff. *NM* - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 302 Views
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I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 812 Views
Re: - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 754 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 659 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 775 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 689 Views
I don't think there is any question... - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 709 Views
If I may quibble: - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 536 Views
He's bullying Christians - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 688 Views
I agree - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 787 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 890 Views

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