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the owner says he called after using a garden hose was unsuccessful to put the fire out moondog Send a noteboard - 07/10/2010 03:08:03 AM
I can't really say for sure without knowing the details of the fire, their house, and the size/health of their animals. I am operating under the assumption that the house was still salvagable when they were at the neighbor's property, because they fire department did not claim otherwise.


i'm guessing that means he did what he was capable of to put the fire out and then called the fire department....
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firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee - 06/10/2010 02:35:20 AM 2305 Views
what kind of bullshit is that? - 06/10/2010 03:19:12 AM 1310 Views
And that brings up another point. What if there had been someone in there? - 06/10/2010 04:03:49 AM 1297 Views
as i said before, they probably would have just rescued them then let the house burn. - 06/10/2010 04:11:24 AM 1285 Views
Why are you trivializing those "precious resources?" - 06/10/2010 04:56:13 AM 1392 Views
except we aren't talking about "people" or a "business" - 06/10/2010 05:03:18 AM 1381 Views
It's slightly different. - 06/10/2010 05:20:55 AM 1203 Views
I'm not against the fee. The fee makes sense. - 06/10/2010 05:24:39 AM 1365 Views
How does the fee makes sense? - 06/10/2010 05:27:30 AM 1276 Views
We ARE talking about a business. - 06/10/2010 05:33:40 AM 1153 Views
i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders - 06/10/2010 05:36:52 AM 1183 Views
Re: i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders - 06/10/2010 05:42:00 AM 1212 Views
if a doctor refuses to aid a dying patient, he'll lose his license, for one. - 06/10/2010 05:48:18 AM 1383 Views
Re: - 06/10/2010 05:59:03 AM 1221 Views
YES!!! Thank you!! - 06/10/2010 06:06:29 AM 1106 Views
that's how hospitals get shut down. - 06/10/2010 05:43:13 AM 1224 Views
This is why goverment must be tolerated *NM* - 06/10/2010 03:30:52 AM 580 Views
Not trying to be a troll, but this seems (mostly) reasonable. - 06/10/2010 03:44:53 AM 1382 Views
on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing? - 06/10/2010 03:58:27 AM 1258 Views
So that tool who didn't want to pay his fee most likely because he never thought he would need to... - 06/10/2010 03:25:12 PM 1302 Views
in rural areas, not typically, no. - 06/10/2010 07:36:18 PM 1105 Views
Re: on the other hand, how ethical is it to watch someone's home and pets burn and do nothing? - 06/10/2010 06:33:57 PM 1697 Views
at that point, you're right, they may not have been able to save the animals - 06/10/2010 07:38:45 PM 1138 Views
the owner says he called after using a garden hose was unsuccessful to put the fire out - 07/10/2010 03:08:03 AM 1196 Views
And running the govt this way is stupid for it leads to worse results, it is no better than SoN - 06/10/2010 04:02:02 AM 1211 Views
You are a post ninja. *NM* - 06/10/2010 04:02:51 AM 455 Views
It makes sense from a business standpoint. But that's precisely why we socialize these things. - 06/10/2010 04:02:25 AM 1493 Views
as an additional thought.... - 06/10/2010 04:09:57 AM 1103 Views
Apparently being poor wasn't a problem as he offered to pay whatever it takes. He gambled and lost. *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:11:40 AM 600 Views
you shouldn't have to be gambling on whether a public service will be given. - 06/10/2010 05:20:40 AM 1144 Views
No, the rural county's position is ridiculous. - 06/10/2010 05:21:27 AM 1215 Views
their position is ridiculous too. - 06/10/2010 05:22:33 AM 1186 Views
You liberals and your Big Brother. - 07/10/2010 09:09:15 AM 1117 Views
That's abominable. - 06/10/2010 04:03:18 AM 1253 Views
Re: That's abominable. - 06/10/2010 03:33:33 PM 1193 Views
I've been trying to figure out what I think for a few hours now. - 06/10/2010 04:24:35 AM 1188 Views
It wasn't bureacracy, it was his CHOICE. - 06/10/2010 04:30:22 AM 1221 Views
I believe the specific reason was "forgot". That's different. - 06/10/2010 04:47:38 AM 1217 Views
Why the double quotes then? - 06/10/2010 05:11:37 AM 1226 Views
doesn't sound like he intentionally didn't pay it with what you said. - 06/10/2010 05:18:26 AM 1167 Views
The setup itself is wrong. - 06/10/2010 05:25:13 AM 1152 Views
you can't buy insurance after the fact... - 06/10/2010 05:27:40 AM 1075 Views
Other than anarchists (read: idiots), who seriously argues against socialized police/firefighting? *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:20:39 AM 539 Views
We just found one: Aemon. *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:37:46 AM 557 Views
Meh. - 06/10/2010 05:47:40 AM 1099 Views
why? *points up* *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:51:06 AM 545 Views
How far up? Which post are you referring to? I don't understand your "why." *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:55:36 AM 603 Views
Yes. I was answering your question of "why" - this news story is the why. *NM* - 06/10/2010 06:00:56 AM 532 Views
Oh, I see. - 06/10/2010 06:05:52 AM 1155 Views
Fires don't just happen because people set them up themselves - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1284 Views
We have a government do these things for Market Failures exist. *NM* - 06/10/2010 12:46:25 PM 586 Views
When one is poor, things like that become less of a "choice." - 06/10/2010 12:47:08 PM 1135 Views
*Big Edit* I was spreading false information. (Please read edit at the bottom.) People should not - 06/10/2010 05:22:07 AM 1247 Views
and why was it so impossible for him to pay late or pay extra? - 06/10/2010 05:26:39 AM 1267 Views
Because the fire departments costs have to be paid continually. They need the steady income - 06/10/2010 05:33:34 AM 1165 Views
Re: - 06/10/2010 05:47:35 AM 1291 Views
Why not? Isn't that what freedom is about? - 06/10/2010 05:58:24 AM 1172 Views
I'm not free to die. I'm not even free to smoke weed. - 06/10/2010 06:07:17 AM 1219 Views
Practicality is indeed the answer. - 06/10/2010 06:32:24 AM 1208 Views
your model is impractical though - 06/10/2010 08:46:19 AM 1177 Views
because then no one would pay until their house burned. - 06/10/2010 05:34:52 AM 1158 Views
if this was a less severe fire, I would agree with both you and Tash entirely. - 06/10/2010 05:40:51 AM 1099 Views
Risk to other properties is not a good argument. They DID come out to prevent that. *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:54:19 AM 628 Views
that is not prevention, that is treatment. - 06/10/2010 05:56:16 AM 1194 Views
Re: that is not prevention, that is treatment. - 06/10/2010 06:00:44 AM 1116 Views
they may be better at doing the actual fire fighting... - 06/10/2010 06:14:18 AM 1143 Views
The problem is... - 06/10/2010 09:11:59 AM 1184 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 12:40:05 PM 1232 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 02:27:30 PM 1277 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 04:13:43 PM 1206 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 04:23:49 PM 1252 Views
You are making an assumption that isn't proven by the evidence you use there - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1115 Views
You are right. I did open my mouth before hearing both sides of the story. This information does - 06/10/2010 10:30:23 PM 1253 Views
Well we do all do it - 06/10/2010 11:06:10 PM 1188 Views
The is a problem wirth that argument - 06/10/2010 02:55:28 PM 1134 Views
Erm - 06/10/2010 04:46:17 PM 1217 Views
that is true - 06/10/2010 05:19:24 PM 1156 Views
And people wonder why I'm not a Libertarian. - 06/10/2010 06:03:55 AM 1199 Views
from the onion.... - 06/10/2010 08:53:36 AM 1115 Views
They're next after the lawyers, right? - 06/10/2010 09:41:34 AM 1116 Views
Yeah, that's why I always use the 'pragmatic libertarian' descriptor - 06/10/2010 09:54:48 AM 1183 Views
That I can respect and understand. - 06/10/2010 10:08:19 AM 1182 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. - 06/10/2010 10:37:16 AM 1129 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. - 06/10/2010 11:19:26 AM 1110 Views
What you are describing is an anarchist - 06/10/2010 12:37:05 PM 1303 Views
It often seems to devolve into semantics. - 06/10/2010 01:01:19 PM 1290 Views
Sigh I feel like I am arguing with the devil - 06/10/2010 01:12:49 PM 1208 Views
Only my impression, as an outsider. - 06/10/2010 01:29:56 PM 1210 Views
This is not a "libertarian" fire department... - 06/10/2010 02:14:03 PM 1128 Views
Libertarian/=non-government. - 06/10/2010 02:16:10 PM 1132 Views
I think you mean not equal to... - 06/10/2010 02:28:30 PM 1358 Views
please use != or <> or =/= not your crazy invented symbolism - 07/10/2010 07:38:31 AM 1067 Views
I didn't invent it. - 07/10/2010 09:15:23 AM 1184 Views
Or you could use the correct sign &ne; since RAFO does unicode properly - 07/10/2010 09:51:39 AM 1143 Views
You're right; I keep forgetting that, sorry. - 07/10/2010 12:57:36 PM 1063 Views
come on, you didn't learn anything from compsci in high school?? - 07/10/2010 04:09:48 PM 1126 Views
Which one does Turbo Pascal use? - 07/10/2010 04:14:50 PM 1230 Views
Turbo Pascal is about as dead as Fortran at this point - 07/10/2010 04:32:01 PM 1069 Views
My mom still has Fortran manuals. And COBOL. - 08/10/2010 12:02:21 PM 991 Views
A quick search shows Pascal using <> - 08/10/2010 03:15:47 PM 1197 Views
Huh, missed that. - 08/10/2010 03:18:40 PM 974 Views
Not relevant to how it acted in this case though *NM* - 06/10/2010 02:23:06 PM 529 Views
I see no issue with it... - 06/10/2010 02:26:46 PM 1227 Views
I'm not sure if you meant this as a reply to me? *NM* - 06/10/2010 02:32:39 PM 641 Views
Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. - 06/10/2010 02:57:37 PM 1171 Views
Oh that is easy. - 06/10/2010 03:04:04 PM 1262 Views
This better conveys what I was trying to say--this is a government problem - 06/10/2010 06:27:03 PM 1163 Views
I still don't agree - 06/10/2010 07:16:19 PM 1159 Views
If it were really a market-based decision... - 06/10/2010 08:00:29 PM 1247 Views
Re: If it were really a market-based decision... - 06/10/2010 08:35:55 PM 1118 Views
Refer hence. - 07/10/2010 09:39:42 AM 1213 Views
You are living in the past - 07/10/2010 02:10:06 PM 1090 Views
County government tends to be VERY limited over here. - 07/10/2010 03:16:45 PM 1229 Views
This a situation where you know there has to be a better way - 06/10/2010 02:59:12 PM 1185 Views
Good luck with that. - 07/10/2010 10:03:05 AM 1143 Views
some things should be done by the state and some by private organizations - 07/10/2010 02:38:01 PM 1247 Views
Does the state have authority to allocate county tax dollars? - 07/10/2010 04:03:25 PM 1151 Views
you have spent enough time in East Texas that you should know better than that - 07/10/2010 04:26:26 PM 1241 Views
In passing I'd like to note that this is a bizarre role reversal. - 08/10/2010 10:52:09 AM 1146 Views
I am not against government just bad government *NM* - 08/10/2010 02:38:26 PM 516 Views
I'll drink to that. - 08/10/2010 02:42:12 PM 1148 Views
if it wasn't I might be a democrat *NM* - 09/10/2010 04:43:35 PM 514 Views
Sounds like a sound decision to me. Fuck 'em. Burning trash? Idiots. *NM* - 06/10/2010 03:16:53 PM 552 Views
I love when people demonstrate their ignorance while calling other people stupid - 06/10/2010 04:37:52 PM 1220 Views
But really - 07/10/2010 12:19:38 AM 1273 Views
that depends on how rural an area we are talking about - 07/10/2010 01:48:03 AM 1151 Views
Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. - 07/10/2010 01:18:15 AM 1198 Views
Re: Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. - 07/10/2010 01:31:51 PM 1177 Views
and you were in MAINE. - 07/10/2010 02:28:32 PM 1165 Views
and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? - 07/10/2010 02:41:09 PM 1102 Views
Re: and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? - 09/10/2010 06:35:29 AM 1125 Views
Looks like it may be the law in Tennessee as well. - 09/10/2010 12:17:52 PM 1181 Views
I think something is being missed here by many. - 06/10/2010 03:39:12 PM 1330 Views
I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. - 06/10/2010 04:50:11 PM 1111 Views
I sort of did - 06/10/2010 05:27:53 PM 1158 Views
I do agree with you - 06/10/2010 05:48:22 PM 1182 Views
Re: I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. - 06/10/2010 06:26:54 PM 1164 Views
*sigh* no but this is not INSURANCE. - 06/10/2010 07:42:05 PM 1199 Views
I'm betting no one will "forget" the fee anytime soon. - 06/10/2010 04:57:38 PM 1264 Views
there can be less disasterous incentives to pay the fee. - 06/10/2010 05:50:01 PM 1278 Views
And what consequence(s) can/do you enforce if the after-the-fact fee isn't paid? *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:55:38 PM 562 Views
Triple the fee. - 06/10/2010 06:16:03 PM 1149 Views
Put the fire back in their house *NM* - 06/10/2010 06:27:43 PM 574 Views
i'm assuming that a provision like this would be written into the policy. - 06/10/2010 07:43:10 PM 1144 Views
So the house continues to burn while you are explaining this contract to the homeowner - 06/10/2010 08:08:00 PM 1175 Views
No, i mean in the original policy, not in something later signed. - 06/10/2010 10:20:46 PM 1225 Views
The whole program is an incentive. - 06/10/2010 07:13:45 PM 1067 Views
and by becoming a fireman, you accept an ethical obligation. - 06/10/2010 07:45:47 PM 1172 Views
I'm not saying I like it. - 07/10/2010 04:15:52 AM 1105 Views
Re: firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee - 06/10/2010 06:05:45 PM 1288 Views
This. - 06/10/2010 08:27:54 PM 1302 Views
as a former firefighter, here's my opinion about this: - 06/10/2010 07:09:15 PM 1336 Views
I am guessing they were told not to do it again. - 06/10/2010 07:19:38 PM 1146 Views
bureaucracy ... - 07/10/2010 09:08:25 AM 1216 Views
Re: bureaucracy ... - 07/10/2010 11:46:12 AM 1356 Views
Now, John, your opinion as a professional firefighter is irrelevant here. - 06/10/2010 07:47:41 PM 1211 Views
You FORGOT the MOST IMPORTANT part: - 07/10/2010 10:10:17 AM 1182 Views
Outrageous. *NM* - 06/10/2010 07:11:43 PM 554 Views
That's shocking, to be honest - 06/10/2010 08:05:48 PM 1139 Views
My first question - 06/10/2010 11:53:41 PM 1250 Views
I agree with some of what you said - 07/10/2010 01:54:36 AM 1120 Views
*raises hand* speaking as someone who's participated in controlled prairie burning... - 07/10/2010 02:10:56 AM 1254 Views
I have seen uncontrolled prairie burning - 07/10/2010 04:51:49 AM 1173 Views
Why would the animals be in the house if 911 was called before the fire ever reached the house? - 07/10/2010 12:17:47 AM 1193 Views
That whole thing does seem strange to me as well - 07/10/2010 02:51:02 PM 1278 Views
The reports also seem to contradict one another? - 07/10/2010 02:55:59 PM 1190 Views
Yes, I noticed that - 07/10/2010 03:21:43 PM 1173 Views
I can't believe the stupidity being spewed in this post. The solution is readily clear. - 07/10/2010 01:32:01 AM 1360 Views
AMEN - 07/10/2010 03:16:41 AM 1360 Views
Sounds like a bad system - 07/10/2010 01:38:52 AM 1128 Views
Is it in bad taste to note that this thread is on fire...? - 07/10/2010 12:58:48 PM 1213 Views
looks like i started.... a FIRESTORM! - 07/10/2010 04:13:51 PM 1218 Views
http://bash.org/?349567 - 07/10/2010 04:29:53 PM 1218 Views
Apparently, this has happened again - 07/12/2011 09:05:20 PM 1027 Views
Funny, I was thinking of this thread when I read that this morning too *NM* - 07/12/2011 09:24:47 PM 508 Views
What I was thinking was "Joel... " *NM* - 08/12/2011 02:13:35 AM 547 Views
That too... *NM* - 08/12/2011 02:15:04 AM 535 Views
Honestly, those people sound like idiots. - 09/12/2011 03:11:27 AM 1078 Views
They do. - 09/12/2011 01:25:49 PM 1128 Views
Or... - 11/12/2011 05:10:19 AM 1061 Views
Re: Or... - 13/12/2011 02:31:16 AM 1069 Views
You are all crazy posting in this old thread! - 11/12/2011 05:05:20 AM 1214 Views
Maybe - 12/12/2011 12:27:33 AM 1075 Views
Re: Maybe - 13/12/2011 02:33:42 AM 1200 Views
I'm not sure they are being consistent though. - 13/12/2011 06:33:23 PM 943 Views

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