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*Big Edit* I was spreading false information. (Please read edit at the bottom.) People should not Tashmere Send a noteboard - 06/10/2010 05:22:07 AM
be expected to run into a burning house for someone that didn't think it was important enough to remember to pay. Apparently the man wasn't too poor to pay as he offered whatever it took to get the firefighters out.

The rest of the county paid for the services in their taxes. The rural people were given the choice to pay and this one chose not to. Maybe the rural people should insist on this payment being part of their taxes so they don't forget.

Sorry to sound heartless. If I were a firefighter myself I probably would have helped out of instinct. But, if I were the firefighter's family I would sorely resent someone expecting my husband to risk his life save their house when they hadn't bothered to put in their share for the upkeep of the fire department. It takes money to run. I agree with the mayor's reasons. He is protecting the firefighters. Kind of like doctors have to hire people to take care of billing because they wouldn't have the heart to do it themselves.

Socialization isn't all bad. Sometimes people have to be forced to protect themselves. Or helped to remember to pay their fair share.

*Edit* According to the man, he had always payed the fee in the past. There was one instance a few years ago when he forgot and had a chimney fire which the fire department didn't hesitate to put out and allowed him to pay the fee the next day. This time he was out of town or something for awhile and forgot because of that. This I can understand. I was way too harsh and needed to fix the false information I had spread.
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firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee - 06/10/2010 02:35:20 AM 2195 Views
what kind of bullshit is that? - 06/10/2010 03:19:12 AM 1214 Views
And that brings up another point. What if there had been someone in there? - 06/10/2010 04:03:49 AM 1208 Views
as i said before, they probably would have just rescued them then let the house burn. - 06/10/2010 04:11:24 AM 1196 Views
Why are you trivializing those "precious resources?" - 06/10/2010 04:56:13 AM 1297 Views
except we aren't talking about "people" or a "business" - 06/10/2010 05:03:18 AM 1275 Views
It's slightly different. - 06/10/2010 05:20:55 AM 1105 Views
I'm not against the fee. The fee makes sense. - 06/10/2010 05:24:39 AM 1258 Views
How does the fee makes sense? - 06/10/2010 05:27:30 AM 1179 Views
We ARE talking about a business. - 06/10/2010 05:33:40 AM 1058 Views
i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders - 06/10/2010 05:36:52 AM 1083 Views
Re: i wouldn't expect a doctor or a hospital to take free loaders - 06/10/2010 05:42:00 AM 1116 Views
if a doctor refuses to aid a dying patient, he'll lose his license, for one. - 06/10/2010 05:48:18 AM 1271 Views
Re: - 06/10/2010 05:59:03 AM 1112 Views
YES!!! Thank you!! - 06/10/2010 06:06:29 AM 1023 Views
that's how hospitals get shut down. - 06/10/2010 05:43:13 AM 1117 Views
This is why goverment must be tolerated *NM* - 06/10/2010 03:30:52 AM 538 Views
Not trying to be a troll, but this seems (mostly) reasonable. - 06/10/2010 03:44:53 AM 1289 Views
And running the govt this way is stupid for it leads to worse results, it is no better than SoN - 06/10/2010 04:02:02 AM 1108 Views
You are a post ninja. *NM* - 06/10/2010 04:02:51 AM 416 Views
It makes sense from a business standpoint. But that's precisely why we socialize these things. - 06/10/2010 04:02:25 AM 1373 Views
as an additional thought.... - 06/10/2010 04:09:57 AM 1025 Views
Apparently being poor wasn't a problem as he offered to pay whatever it takes. He gambled and lost. *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:11:40 AM 563 Views
you shouldn't have to be gambling on whether a public service will be given. - 06/10/2010 05:20:40 AM 1044 Views
No, the rural county's position is ridiculous. - 06/10/2010 05:21:27 AM 1126 Views
their position is ridiculous too. - 06/10/2010 05:22:33 AM 1091 Views
You liberals and your Big Brother. - 07/10/2010 09:09:15 AM 1016 Views
That's abominable. - 06/10/2010 04:03:18 AM 1155 Views
Re: That's abominable. - 06/10/2010 03:33:33 PM 1104 Views
I've been trying to figure out what I think for a few hours now. - 06/10/2010 04:24:35 AM 1089 Views
It wasn't bureacracy, it was his CHOICE. - 06/10/2010 04:30:22 AM 1114 Views
I believe the specific reason was "forgot". That's different. - 06/10/2010 04:47:38 AM 1148 Views
Why the double quotes then? - 06/10/2010 05:11:37 AM 1129 Views
doesn't sound like he intentionally didn't pay it with what you said. - 06/10/2010 05:18:26 AM 1061 Views
The setup itself is wrong. - 06/10/2010 05:25:13 AM 1034 Views
you can't buy insurance after the fact... - 06/10/2010 05:27:40 AM 989 Views
Other than anarchists (read: idiots), who seriously argues against socialized police/firefighting? *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:20:39 AM 504 Views
We just found one: Aemon. *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:37:46 AM 515 Views
Meh. - 06/10/2010 05:47:40 AM 998 Views
why? *points up* *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:51:06 AM 507 Views
How far up? Which post are you referring to? I don't understand your "why." *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:55:36 AM 559 Views
Yes. I was answering your question of "why" - this news story is the why. *NM* - 06/10/2010 06:00:56 AM 494 Views
Oh, I see. - 06/10/2010 06:05:52 AM 1072 Views
Fires don't just happen because people set them up themselves - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1189 Views
We have a government do these things for Market Failures exist. *NM* - 06/10/2010 12:46:25 PM 554 Views
When one is poor, things like that become less of a "choice." - 06/10/2010 12:47:08 PM 1042 Views
*Big Edit* I was spreading false information. (Please read edit at the bottom.) People should not - 06/10/2010 05:22:07 AM 1149 Views
and why was it so impossible for him to pay late or pay extra? - 06/10/2010 05:26:39 AM 1170 Views
Because the fire departments costs have to be paid continually. They need the steady income - 06/10/2010 05:33:34 AM 1080 Views
Re: - 06/10/2010 05:47:35 AM 1198 Views
Why not? Isn't that what freedom is about? - 06/10/2010 05:58:24 AM 1073 Views
I'm not free to die. I'm not even free to smoke weed. - 06/10/2010 06:07:17 AM 1116 Views
Practicality is indeed the answer. - 06/10/2010 06:32:24 AM 1118 Views
your model is impractical though - 06/10/2010 08:46:19 AM 1095 Views
because then no one would pay until their house burned. - 06/10/2010 05:34:52 AM 1068 Views
if this was a less severe fire, I would agree with both you and Tash entirely. - 06/10/2010 05:40:51 AM 989 Views
Risk to other properties is not a good argument. They DID come out to prevent that. *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:54:19 AM 589 Views
that is not prevention, that is treatment. - 06/10/2010 05:56:16 AM 1097 Views
Re: that is not prevention, that is treatment. - 06/10/2010 06:00:44 AM 1020 Views
they may be better at doing the actual fire fighting... - 06/10/2010 06:14:18 AM 1049 Views
The problem is... - 06/10/2010 09:11:59 AM 1094 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 12:40:05 PM 1131 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 02:27:30 PM 1180 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 04:13:43 PM 1127 Views
Re: The problem is... - 06/10/2010 04:23:49 PM 1147 Views
You are making an assumption that isn't proven by the evidence you use there - 06/10/2010 11:34:05 AM 1021 Views
You are right. I did open my mouth before hearing both sides of the story. This information does - 06/10/2010 10:30:23 PM 1132 Views
Well we do all do it - 06/10/2010 11:06:10 PM 1097 Views
The is a problem wirth that argument - 06/10/2010 02:55:28 PM 1042 Views
Erm - 06/10/2010 04:46:17 PM 1153 Views
that is true - 06/10/2010 05:19:24 PM 1057 Views
And people wonder why I'm not a Libertarian. - 06/10/2010 06:03:55 AM 1097 Views
from the onion.... - 06/10/2010 08:53:36 AM 1012 Views
They're next after the lawyers, right? - 06/10/2010 09:41:34 AM 1013 Views
Yeah, that's why I always use the 'pragmatic libertarian' descriptor - 06/10/2010 09:54:48 AM 1087 Views
That I can respect and understand. - 06/10/2010 10:08:19 AM 1083 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. - 06/10/2010 10:37:16 AM 1020 Views
Re: That I can respect and understand. - 06/10/2010 11:19:26 AM 1017 Views
What you are describing is an anarchist - 06/10/2010 12:37:05 PM 1211 Views
It often seems to devolve into semantics. - 06/10/2010 01:01:19 PM 1185 Views
Sigh I feel like I am arguing with the devil - 06/10/2010 01:12:49 PM 1110 Views
Only my impression, as an outsider. - 06/10/2010 01:29:56 PM 1121 Views
This is not a "libertarian" fire department... - 06/10/2010 02:14:03 PM 1032 Views
Libertarian/=non-government. - 06/10/2010 02:16:10 PM 1047 Views
I think you mean not equal to... - 06/10/2010 02:28:30 PM 1262 Views
please use != or <> or =/= not your crazy invented symbolism - 07/10/2010 07:38:31 AM 962 Views
I didn't invent it. - 07/10/2010 09:15:23 AM 1079 Views
Or you could use the correct sign &ne; since RAFO does unicode properly - 07/10/2010 09:51:39 AM 1043 Views
You're right; I keep forgetting that, sorry. - 07/10/2010 12:57:36 PM 966 Views
come on, you didn't learn anything from compsci in high school?? - 07/10/2010 04:09:48 PM 1031 Views
Which one does Turbo Pascal use? - 07/10/2010 04:14:50 PM 1157 Views
Turbo Pascal is about as dead as Fortran at this point - 07/10/2010 04:32:01 PM 978 Views
My mom still has Fortran manuals. And COBOL. - 08/10/2010 12:02:21 PM 894 Views
A quick search shows Pascal using <> - 08/10/2010 03:15:47 PM 1106 Views
Huh, missed that. - 08/10/2010 03:18:40 PM 884 Views
Not relevant to how it acted in this case though *NM* - 06/10/2010 02:23:06 PM 487 Views
I see no issue with it... - 06/10/2010 02:26:46 PM 1131 Views
I'm not sure if you meant this as a reply to me? *NM* - 06/10/2010 02:32:39 PM 595 Views
Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. - 06/10/2010 02:57:37 PM 1075 Views
Oh that is easy. - 06/10/2010 03:04:04 PM 1171 Views
This better conveys what I was trying to say--this is a government problem - 06/10/2010 06:27:03 PM 1055 Views
I still don't agree - 06/10/2010 07:16:19 PM 1052 Views
If it were really a market-based decision... - 06/10/2010 08:00:29 PM 1159 Views
Re: If it were really a market-based decision... - 06/10/2010 08:35:55 PM 1010 Views
Refer hence. - 07/10/2010 09:39:42 AM 1114 Views
You are living in the past - 07/10/2010 02:10:06 PM 1004 Views
County government tends to be VERY limited over here. - 07/10/2010 03:16:45 PM 1132 Views
This a situation where you know there has to be a better way - 06/10/2010 02:59:12 PM 1094 Views
Good luck with that. - 07/10/2010 10:03:05 AM 1077 Views
some things should be done by the state and some by private organizations - 07/10/2010 02:38:01 PM 1138 Views
Does the state have authority to allocate county tax dollars? - 07/10/2010 04:03:25 PM 1066 Views
you have spent enough time in East Texas that you should know better than that - 07/10/2010 04:26:26 PM 1130 Views
In passing I'd like to note that this is a bizarre role reversal. - 08/10/2010 10:52:09 AM 1073 Views
I am not against government just bad government *NM* - 08/10/2010 02:38:26 PM 486 Views
I'll drink to that. - 08/10/2010 02:42:12 PM 1042 Views
if it wasn't I might be a democrat *NM* - 09/10/2010 04:43:35 PM 475 Views
Sounds like a sound decision to me. Fuck 'em. Burning trash? Idiots. *NM* - 06/10/2010 03:16:53 PM 516 Views
I love when people demonstrate their ignorance while calling other people stupid - 06/10/2010 04:37:52 PM 1116 Views
But really - 07/10/2010 12:19:38 AM 1165 Views
that depends on how rural an area we are talking about - 07/10/2010 01:48:03 AM 1045 Views
Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. - 07/10/2010 01:18:15 AM 1101 Views
Re: Fuck your ignorant comment city boy. People all over this country still burn trash. - 07/10/2010 01:31:51 PM 1079 Views
and you were in MAINE. - 07/10/2010 02:28:32 PM 1059 Views
and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? - 07/10/2010 02:41:09 PM 1027 Views
Re: and so you think that is the way they do it everywhere? - 09/10/2010 06:35:29 AM 1042 Views
Looks like it may be the law in Tennessee as well. - 09/10/2010 12:17:52 PM 1086 Views
I think something is being missed here by many. - 06/10/2010 03:39:12 PM 1237 Views
I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. - 06/10/2010 04:50:11 PM 1022 Views
I sort of did - 06/10/2010 05:27:53 PM 1045 Views
I do agree with you - 06/10/2010 05:48:22 PM 1094 Views
Re: I don't believe a SINGLE person here has said they should not pay. - 06/10/2010 06:26:54 PM 1064 Views
*sigh* no but this is not INSURANCE. - 06/10/2010 07:42:05 PM 1095 Views
I'm betting no one will "forget" the fee anytime soon. - 06/10/2010 04:57:38 PM 1165 Views
there can be less disasterous incentives to pay the fee. - 06/10/2010 05:50:01 PM 1167 Views
And what consequence(s) can/do you enforce if the after-the-fact fee isn't paid? *NM* - 06/10/2010 05:55:38 PM 523 Views
Triple the fee. - 06/10/2010 06:16:03 PM 1053 Views
Put the fire back in their house *NM* - 06/10/2010 06:27:43 PM 538 Views
i'm assuming that a provision like this would be written into the policy. - 06/10/2010 07:43:10 PM 1048 Views
So the house continues to burn while you are explaining this contract to the homeowner - 06/10/2010 08:08:00 PM 1069 Views
No, i mean in the original policy, not in something later signed. - 06/10/2010 10:20:46 PM 1125 Views
The whole program is an incentive. - 06/10/2010 07:13:45 PM 994 Views
and by becoming a fireman, you accept an ethical obligation. - 06/10/2010 07:45:47 PM 1080 Views
I'm not saying I like it. - 07/10/2010 04:15:52 AM 1012 Views
Re: firefighters allow home to burn to ground in rural tennessee - 06/10/2010 06:05:45 PM 1184 Views
This. - 06/10/2010 08:27:54 PM 1191 Views
as a former firefighter, here's my opinion about this: - 06/10/2010 07:09:15 PM 1230 Views
I am guessing they were told not to do it again. - 06/10/2010 07:19:38 PM 1054 Views
bureaucracy ... - 07/10/2010 09:08:25 AM 1111 Views
Re: bureaucracy ... - 07/10/2010 11:46:12 AM 1255 Views
Now, John, your opinion as a professional firefighter is irrelevant here. - 06/10/2010 07:47:41 PM 1117 Views
You FORGOT the MOST IMPORTANT part: - 07/10/2010 10:10:17 AM 1090 Views
Outrageous. *NM* - 06/10/2010 07:11:43 PM 513 Views
That's shocking, to be honest - 06/10/2010 08:05:48 PM 1041 Views
My first question - 06/10/2010 11:53:41 PM 1157 Views
I agree with some of what you said - 07/10/2010 01:54:36 AM 1012 Views
*raises hand* speaking as someone who's participated in controlled prairie burning... - 07/10/2010 02:10:56 AM 1147 Views
I have seen uncontrolled prairie burning - 07/10/2010 04:51:49 AM 1073 Views
Why would the animals be in the house if 911 was called before the fire ever reached the house? - 07/10/2010 12:17:47 AM 1104 Views
That whole thing does seem strange to me as well - 07/10/2010 02:51:02 PM 1206 Views
The reports also seem to contradict one another? - 07/10/2010 02:55:59 PM 1083 Views
Yes, I noticed that - 07/10/2010 03:21:43 PM 1084 Views
I can't believe the stupidity being spewed in this post. The solution is readily clear. - 07/10/2010 01:32:01 AM 1257 Views
AMEN - 07/10/2010 03:16:41 AM 1270 Views
Sounds like a bad system - 07/10/2010 01:38:52 AM 1021 Views
Is it in bad taste to note that this thread is on fire...? - 07/10/2010 12:58:48 PM 1102 Views
looks like i started.... a FIRESTORM! - 07/10/2010 04:13:51 PM 1132 Views
http://bash.org/?349567 - 07/10/2010 04:29:53 PM 1118 Views
Apparently, this has happened again - 07/12/2011 09:05:20 PM 929 Views
Funny, I was thinking of this thread when I read that this morning too *NM* - 07/12/2011 09:24:47 PM 479 Views
What I was thinking was "Joel... " *NM* - 08/12/2011 02:13:35 AM 503 Views
That too... *NM* - 08/12/2011 02:15:04 AM 495 Views
Honestly, those people sound like idiots. - 09/12/2011 03:11:27 AM 974 Views
They do. - 09/12/2011 01:25:49 PM 1039 Views
Or... - 11/12/2011 05:10:19 AM 964 Views
Re: Or... - 13/12/2011 02:31:16 AM 972 Views
You are all crazy posting in this old thread! - 11/12/2011 05:05:20 AM 1104 Views
Maybe - 12/12/2011 12:27:33 AM 986 Views
Re: Maybe - 13/12/2011 02:33:42 AM 1108 Views
I'm not sure they are being consistent though. - 13/12/2011 06:33:23 PM 848 Views

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