English and Irish, although my Irish is getting rustier all the time, it's been years since I've held a conversation in Irish so I may not be even fully fluent anymore. Not to mention that I always had difficulties understanding some Munster and Connaught dialects, but that could have been more to do with accents.
I can readily imagine the difficulty of Irish dialects. Smaller languages are more inclined towards having difficult dialects, I suppose, as there are fewer influences pushing standardization and fewer foreign speakers for whose benefit one should try to speak something intelligible. It's certainly the case with Flemish.
It's not so much a question of attention being paid as much as it is a question of how it is thought. Irish is a prime example. It is mandatory for Irish students to learn Irish throughout their primary and secondary education (i.e. for 13 years) yet very few students emerge from their education with any sort of working knowledge of the language. There are constant debates here about how we can improve the situation but nothing concrete ever comes of them.
Thirteen years with so little to show for it? I'll be the first to admit that some students here emerge from secondary school after eight years of French with a rather poor command of the language, and no doubt Irish is harder than French. But if it's as general a failure as you say, that's pretty bad.
Hold on, just thought of something - are you saying they have Irish classes from the very first year of primary school? As in, they learn to read in English and Irish simultaneously? Now that's ambitious...
Foreign languages should be thought in primary schools as it is at this age that students will most easily pick up a language. This wasn't done in my day but things could very well have changed since then.
Yeah, though the really sponge-like age in terms of language absorbtion is still younger than that... but in primary schools it's also important to get the fundaments of native language and mathematics right, so that in secondary school students can take all kinds of additional subjects, including more languages. That's how it is here, anyway.
It's not really surprising and as I speak neither French nor German I guess I should be thankful.
Well, maybe if it was less strong, you'd have been forced to do more with your French and would speak it more fluently now?
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That is rather sad to say the least.
24/09/2010 04:15:32 PM
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Indeed
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Interesting.
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Re: Interesting.
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Re: Interesting.
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Self-study can be worth as much as formal classroom study, I suppose
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Certainly it can.
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They should have asked about second languages rather than foreign languages.
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