Re: Me, too. For a long time I was like it didn't matter, we owed the guy for the site, blah blah
Aemon Send a noteboard - 18/09/2010 06:10:07 AM
I mean, without wotmania, I'd never have found the best friend I'll ever have; a person who truly is a brother to me. But the end there just completely soured me. He came off as extremely selfish and petty to me about it. It was his toy and he wasn't sharing even if he didn't want it any more.
I know. I'm very much a benefit-of-the-doubt, walk-a-mile-in-their-shoes kind of guy, so I tried not to read too much into workings that I knew little about. The problem, though, was that he just wouldn't communicate with the userbase. It was impossible to know what he was doing, and why he was doing it.
Even so, I still tried to attribute the most noble motivations I could think of to Mr. Mike. What finally tipped the scales for me was his clear, flat-out promise (in a site-wide announcement post) to provide noteboard exporting tools. And then his subsequent breaking of that promise. Even if he didn't want to write the tool, the least he could have done was give us advance warning. Instead he left us hanging, and a lot of people lost a big chunk of their online "lives." I won't say that action was unforgivable, but it was definitely inexcusable and unconscionable on his part.
They did have a link and that was very cool of them to do that. I don't see how it would hurt them to continue it.
I agree, and they may (continue it). I really don't think they've intentionally removed the wotmania landing page, and I hope that people will give it a week or two before they get upset. The reason I mentioned the link, though, is because I assume Mike knew it would be there. He communicated a lot with Jason before the site's demise (one of few people he talked to), and had some knowledge of what to expect. If Mike knew he could re-direct people looking for WoT content (which is what most people originally came to the site for, even at the end) to where it could be found, and still provide the community with a link to the new place. . .well, I think that's a workable solution. Not one I'd have chosen, but nothing terrible.
I don't know if wotmania's biggest draw was WOT there at the end. It might have been. I dunno. But the site had grown to a lot more than just WOT. Dragonmount didn't need the exposure and anyone who really just cared about the WOT stuff already knew about it. RAFO needed the extra exposure and we didn't get it.
If everyone who went to wotmania.com saw our RAFO link on the landing page, then we got some of it. You're preaching to the choir in this respect, though. I agree that it would have been better to direct people here, rather than Dragonmount. I'm not as upset about this facet as you seem to be, but I DO agree with you.
I know. I kept putting off saving them and ended up losing most of the ones I wanted to keep.
Yeah, and I'm sorry about that. As one of the admins and people with better than average tech/web knowledge, I felt kind of guilty about the whole thing. I kept thinking Mike and/or Ben was going to work something out, but that never materialized. I only started looking into the problem three or four days in advance, and that just wasn't nearly enough time. I know some people (Ben?) grabbed most of the messageboards, but I think people lost the majority of their noteboards. I wish I'd done something a little earlier.
www.wotmania.com no longer leads to a Dragonmount page letting people know where we are.
18/09/2010 01:07:47 AM
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Thankless bitches. *NM*
18/09/2010 01:10:31 AM
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Honestly, it's probably an oversight, or a temporary measure. EDIT
18/09/2010 03:03:51 AM
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I still think Mike was a total asshole for not having it link to this site anyway. Whatever. *shrug* *NM*
18/09/2010 03:12:08 AM
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What was his reasoning for that, anyway? *NM*
18/09/2010 04:59:26 AM
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"I'm a dick and like the guys who run Dragonmount. Fuck you, loyal wotmaniacs." *NM*
18/09/2010 05:03:36 AM
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He didn't really communicate at all during the last month or two.
18/09/2010 05:37:41 AM
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He never considered wotmania anything more than a WoT fan site...
11/10/2010 02:57:13 PM
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Yeah, I half agree.
18/09/2010 05:36:33 AM
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Me, too. For a long time I was like it didn't matter, we owed the guy for the site, blah blah blah.
18/09/2010 05:43:11 AM
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Re: Me, too. For a long time I was like it didn't matter, we owed the guy for the site, blah blah
18/09/2010 06:10:07 AM
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Was it you who came up with that exporting software? Worked fine for me, once I figured it out.
18/09/2010 10:54:11 AM
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It worked for me, too, eventually.
20/09/2010 01:46:54 PM
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Quite. I never considered him part of the community. Ever.
20/09/2010 11:25:44 PM
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Yeah, he checked out and then was definitely phoning everything in at the end.
20/09/2010 11:33:19 PM
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Speaking of Mike, I found a hilarious blog post about him
29/09/2010 03:21:13 AM
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Yeah, fuck those fucking parochial White Anglo majorities! I hate them!
29/09/2010 03:27:36 AM
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Hilarious is the word. A fangirl (boy?) of Chomsky, Ayn Rand and Michael Moore? Wow. *NM*
29/09/2010 10:57:46 AM
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Are you still trying to go to wotmania by mistake? *NM*
18/09/2010 12:36:23 PM
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No, he goes to "womania.com" but sometimes accidentally types a "t".
18/09/2010 03:13:19 PM
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Funny, in ten or so years I never accidentally found that site. Good tips on the rhythm method. *NM*
18/09/2010 04:53:41 PM
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Nah, I was at Dragonmount looking at their Brandon Sanderson book tour page...
18/09/2010 06:15:04 PM
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's back now.
10/10/2010 03:48:28 AM
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Re: Aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's back now.
10/10/2010 07:07:03 PM
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