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no, that would be the dr. pepper again... moondog Send a noteboard - 11/09/2010 07:52:44 PM
But, really, it wasn't nearly this bad until the last couple years. Of course, prior to that I had no job OR insurance, so.... *shrugs*


Not that I'm entirely unsympathetic mind you, but routine dental maintenance is actually pretty cheap, cheaper on average if you properly maintain your teeth to pay out of pocket then have insurance, really. National dental care is definitely not something I favor, since I can only see it driving up costs, there's nothing like having a bill for a few thousand dollars to remind yourself to brush and floss regularly. The dental industry has an annual revenue of about 70 billion in the US, which is about $250 a person. Some of that is elective/cosmetic, a lot of that is checkups, but most of it is work done that any dentist will tell you is primarily the byproduct of neglect. If we all pay for it together, out of income taxes, do you think that neglect cost will go up or down? Not trying to lecture you on your life choices but most cavities result from neglect, the equivalent of not changing your oil and burning out your engine. I've had a couple cavities, got a couple fillings, and I know they resulted from laziness on my part, though I'm not saying since I can't know if that's true for yourself. As for budgeting, can't help you there, we all have limited means and have to make sacrifices, some more than others. I smoke, that is expensive as you know and bad for your teeth too, I bet I spend way more on cigs then dentistry a year. I could easily pay for dental insurance by quitting the habit. Ideally, we'd save a lot of money if everyone went in for a regular checkup and bushed and flossed properly, paying for it out of the collective till makes sense, except people being people... well it takes a lot less time to get a filling then to brush your teeth a few hundred times. If you're not paying for it yourself, where's the incentive to do it? Lowest common denominator and all, I don't want dental revenue to go from 70 billion to 140 because 1 out of 10 people slack off oral hygiene.

There's no denying you're right: I have been neglectful, not in terms of dentist care (if you don't got it, you don't got it; that's not a new situation for me or anyone) but in terms of personal care and personal choices. Of course, if I brushed, flossed and gargled five times a day and took all my food intravenously it would be all the same as far as going to a dentist now; I almost certainly wouldn't have as many dental problems, but whether or not I did I'd be every bit as much on my own. I'm about to the point where I wanna say remove all the taxes, shut down the government and let the Ayn Rand groupies live in the world of anarchy they so fervently desire. I have too much integrity to last five seconds in it, but they're too self absorbed to last any longer.

The biggest problem with saying government dental insurance would encourage neglectful personal care is that we don't have it and I'm still here. Yes, there are welfare queens in the US; there will always be people who think it's easier to figure out ways to game the system (and stay current on all the new regs designed to prevent it) than expend that effort supporting themselves. They are far from the majority, and the sad irony is they spend so much time abusing the system they usually know how to circumvent new safeguards before they even take effect. People in genuine need of help do all they can to take care of themselves and only turn to government assistance as a last resort--which leaves them completely unfamiliar with all the bureaucratic stopgaps designed to prevent abuse, so they often get denied due to a minor requirement they could have easily met were they as knowledgeable as those for whom it was intended.
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NSSP: I Live in the Greatest Country on Earth! - 09/09/2010 06:12:06 PM 1602 Views
17 fillings? Do you ever go to the dentist? *NM* - 09/09/2010 06:26:05 PM 389 Views
seriously. that's an insane number of fillings to have been putting off. - 09/09/2010 06:28:09 PM 900 Views
Give me the time and money, and I'll be happy to do it. - 09/09/2010 06:32:42 PM 883 Views
This is the first time in my life I've had dental insurance. - 09/09/2010 06:29:44 PM 929 Views
So in other words it's your own damn fault. - 09/09/2010 07:34:43 PM 858 Views
"Not that expensive" is a big phrase. - 10/09/2010 05:42:55 AM 830 Views
I've actually been buying Boar's Head knockwurst for grilling. - 10/09/2010 05:46:59 AM 730 Views
Aaaah, thanks. - 10/09/2010 06:13:19 AM 747 Views
have you tried going to a dental school? - 09/09/2010 07:36:15 PM 774 Views
well, I bet it wouldn't have cost you near so much if you hadn't kept putting it off. - 09/09/2010 06:29:50 PM 891 Views
Yes, I was able to figure that out on my own. - 09/09/2010 06:34:58 PM 1010 Views
whatever. If you put your health second... - 09/09/2010 07:40:20 PM 942 Views
Millions of Americans do it daily, which was my point. - 10/09/2010 05:48:38 AM 771 Views
17? Wow... do you use cola as mouthwash? *NM* - 09/09/2010 06:46:28 PM 481 Views
Dr. Pepper - 09/09/2010 06:47:32 PM 820 Views
Re: Dr. Pepper - 10/09/2010 07:05:06 PM 978 Views
A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth.... - 11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM 948 Views
(shrugs) I don't mix personal and politics - 11/09/2010 07:21:36 PM 1182 Views
As it should be. - 11/09/2010 09:17:56 PM 926 Views
By they way, some quick possibly useful advice - 11/09/2010 07:38:02 PM 925 Views
Yeah, those are the two things I'm thinking. - 11/09/2010 08:47:54 PM 934 Views
no, that would be the dr. pepper again... - 11/09/2010 07:52:44 PM 843 Views
no but he is a big fan of Kool-Aid *NM* - 09/09/2010 10:08:25 PM 432 Views
*NM* - 10/09/2010 05:43:06 PM 469 Views
Yikes. - 09/09/2010 08:45:55 PM 809 Views
This is (one of) the thing(s) I love about you: - 10/09/2010 05:34:02 AM 897 Views
One bit at a time.. - 09/09/2010 10:11:00 PM 808 Views
Indeed. - 10/09/2010 05:54:10 AM 963 Views
I feel so sorry for people who have to live in uncivilised countries. - 10/09/2010 12:18:11 AM 870 Views
yes he will be moving to the land known for great dental care *NM* - 10/09/2010 01:01:37 AM 453 Views
LOL A British person lecturing us about anything involving dental care. - 10/09/2010 02:02:33 AM 954 Views
I love how I'm not the only one to remember very old Simpson episodes! - 10/09/2010 03:58:41 AM 874 Views
Certainly not! *NM* - 10/09/2010 08:13:07 AM 386 Views
All hail the stereotype! - 10/09/2010 10:12:30 AM 781 Views
Where does that stereotype come from? - 11/09/2010 04:52:41 PM 1138 Views
Also less of an obsession with artficially whitening teeth. *NM* - 11/09/2010 05:33:04 PM 435 Views
Combined with tea? *NM* - 11/09/2010 05:34:25 PM 391 Views
Yeah, about that... - 11/09/2010 09:31:11 PM 1200 Views
Re: Yeah, about that... - 11/09/2010 09:35:15 PM 1196 Views
Still keeping my US citizenship though. - 11/09/2010 09:53:05 PM 992 Views
It's painful to watch though. - 10/09/2010 06:16:03 AM 840 Views
America is fine. You just suck at it. *NM* - 10/09/2010 12:29:48 AM 514 Views
Suck it up - 10/09/2010 01:27:09 AM 830 Views
Norway doesn't provide dental coverage for anyone over 18. - 10/09/2010 06:09:32 AM 901 Views
~shrugs~ - 10/09/2010 01:48:24 AM 821 Views
Your travel money would certainly have paid for a lot of dentistry. *NM* - 10/09/2010 02:00:09 AM 465 Views
LITERATEDOG!! - 10/09/2010 02:02:57 AM 923 Views
Not really. - 10/09/2010 06:21:55 AM 917 Views
Oh, honey, I don't blame you for the Norway travel. - 10/09/2010 06:35:10 AM 795 Views
Funny thing is I once would've agreed. - 10/09/2010 08:47:34 AM 908 Views
Boohoo. You made your choices. You prioritized luxuries before dental care. Live with it. - 10/09/2010 04:40:05 PM 952 Views
Joel opened himself up to this - 10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM 845 Views
But it's all about his personal choices. - 10/09/2010 05:33:42 PM 943 Views
Yes. - 10/09/2010 06:33:22 PM 951 Views
Much better put than in my post. What she said. *NM* - 10/09/2010 06:39:27 PM 390 Views
Whatever. Completely ignore my points because you want to hide behind the label "personal choice". - 10/09/2010 11:13:02 PM 775 Views
Ok. - 11/09/2010 07:14:23 AM 800 Views
Actually, no. Not ok. - 11/09/2010 08:23:02 AM 735 Views
But, you know, even then, put the political part of it aside. - 10/09/2010 11:29:36 PM 897 Views
Excoriate? - 11/09/2010 07:21:03 AM 1219 Views
.sorry, darlin'... - 11/09/2010 03:40:24 AM 1036 Views
and edit. - 11/09/2010 07:23:41 AM 981 Views
In other words, you made sacrfices for those you love. - 11/09/2010 04:25:08 PM 1087 Views
I have about 3 fiddy - 10/09/2010 05:47:38 PM 818 Views
*submerges and capsizes your boat* - 11/09/2010 04:35:04 PM 884 Views

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