But, really, it wasn't nearly this bad until the last couple years. Of course, prior to that I had no job OR insurance, so.... *shrugs*
Not that I'm entirely unsympathetic mind you, but routine dental maintenance is actually pretty cheap, cheaper on average if you properly maintain your teeth to pay out of pocket then have insurance, really. National dental care is definitely not something I favor, since I can only see it driving up costs, there's nothing like having a bill for a few thousand dollars to remind yourself to brush and floss regularly. The dental industry has an annual revenue of about 70 billion in the US, which is about $250 a person. Some of that is elective/cosmetic, a lot of that is checkups, but most of it is work done that any dentist will tell you is primarily the byproduct of neglect. If we all pay for it together, out of income taxes, do you think that neglect cost will go up or down? Not trying to lecture you on your life choices but most cavities result from neglect, the equivalent of not changing your oil and burning out your engine. I've had a couple cavities, got a couple fillings, and I know they resulted from laziness on my part, though I'm not saying since I can't know if that's true for yourself. As for budgeting, can't help you there, we all have limited means and have to make sacrifices, some more than others. I smoke, that is expensive as you know and bad for your teeth too, I bet I spend way more on cigs then dentistry a year. I could easily pay for dental insurance by quitting the habit. Ideally, we'd save a lot of money if everyone went in for a regular checkup and bushed and flossed properly, paying for it out of the collective till makes sense, except people being people... well it takes a lot less time to get a filling then to brush your teeth a few hundred times. If you're not paying for it yourself, where's the incentive to do it? Lowest common denominator and all, I don't want dental revenue to go from 70 billion to 140 because 1 out of 10 people slack off oral hygiene.
There's no denying you're right: I have been neglectful, not in terms of dentist care (if you don't got it, you don't got it; that's not a new situation for me or anyone) but in terms of personal care and personal choices. Of course, if I brushed, flossed and gargled five times a day and took all my food intravenously it would be all the same as far as going to a dentist now; I almost certainly wouldn't have as many dental problems, but whether or not I did I'd be every bit as much on my own. I'm about to the point where I wanna say remove all the taxes, shut down the government and let the Ayn Rand groupies live in the world of anarchy they so fervently desire. I have too much integrity to last five seconds in it, but they're too self absorbed to last any longer.
The biggest problem with saying government dental insurance would encourage neglectful personal care is that we don't have it and I'm still here. Yes, there are welfare queens in the US; there will always be people who think it's easier to figure out ways to game the system (and stay current on all the new regs designed to prevent it) than expend that effort supporting themselves. They are far from the majority, and the sad irony is they spend so much time abusing the system they usually know how to circumvent new safeguards before they even take effect. People in genuine need of help do all they can to take care of themselves and only turn to government assistance as a last resort--which leaves them completely unfamiliar with all the bureaucratic stopgaps designed to prevent abuse, so they often get denied due to a minor requirement they could have easily met were they as knowledgeable as those for whom it was intended.
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09/09/2010 06:12:06 PM
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17 fillings? Do you ever go to the dentist? *NM*
09/09/2010 06:26:05 PM
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seriously. that's an insane number of fillings to have been putting off.
09/09/2010 06:28:09 PM
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This is the first time in my life I've had dental insurance.
09/09/2010 06:29:44 PM
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So in other words it's your own damn fault.
09/09/2010 07:34:43 PM
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"Not that expensive" is a big phrase.
10/09/2010 05:42:55 AM
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have you tried going to a dental school?
09/09/2010 07:36:15 PM
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Congratulations: You made the first constructive suggestion in the thread.
10/09/2010 05:37:51 AM
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well, I bet it wouldn't have cost you near so much if you hadn't kept putting it off.
09/09/2010 06:29:50 PM
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Yes, I was able to figure that out on my own.
09/09/2010 06:34:58 PM
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17? Wow... do you use cola as mouthwash? *NM*
09/09/2010 06:46:28 PM
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Dr. Pepper
09/09/2010 06:47:32 PM
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Re: Dr. Pepper
10/09/2010 07:05:06 PM
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A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth....
11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM
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no, that would be the dr. pepper again...
11/09/2010 07:52:44 PM
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would it save you money if they just ripped them all out and put in dentures instead? *NM*
09/09/2010 09:32:41 PM
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I feel so sorry for people who have to live in uncivilised countries.
10/09/2010 12:18:11 AM
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yes he will be moving to the land known for great dental care *NM*
10/09/2010 01:01:37 AM
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I think I must have been channeling a drunken poet when I wrote that insult
10/09/2010 01:23:45 AM
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LOL A British person lecturing us about anything involving dental care.
10/09/2010 02:02:33 AM
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I love how I'm not the only one to remember very old Simpson episodes!
10/09/2010 03:58:41 AM
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When I posted regularly and prolifically that was kinda my thing.
10/09/2010 06:17:03 AM
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Where does that stereotype come from?
11/09/2010 04:52:41 PM
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Yeah, about that...
11/09/2010 09:31:11 PM
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America is fine. You just suck at it. *NM*
10/09/2010 12:29:48 AM
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Sorry for the national debt nearly as large as our GDP, falling standard of living and Iraq War.
10/09/2010 05:57:34 AM
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~shrugs~
10/09/2010 01:48:24 AM
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In this case I did without so I could get to work every day, and put my arm back in its socket.
10/09/2010 06:19:11 AM
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Your travel money would certainly have paid for a lot of dentistry. *NM*
10/09/2010 02:00:09 AM
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LITERATEDOG!!
10/09/2010 02:02:57 AM
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I was trying to go the Facebook route, but no one wants to debate anything there. *NM*
10/09/2010 02:04:48 AM
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The only people that reply to you on Facebook are people who already like you and agree with you. *NM*
10/09/2010 03:07:22 AM
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Not really.
10/09/2010 06:21:55 AM
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Oh, honey, I don't blame you for the Norway travel.
10/09/2010 06:35:10 AM
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Funny thing is I once would've agreed.
10/09/2010 08:47:34 AM
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Boohoo. You made your choices. You prioritized luxuries before dental care. Live with it.
10/09/2010 04:40:05 PM
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Joel opened himself up to this
10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM
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But it's all about his personal choices.
10/09/2010 05:33:42 PM
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A rather tangential point, but since you keep talking about what "you as a nation" pay for...
10/09/2010 06:07:10 PM
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I couldn't care less what his actual income is.
10/09/2010 06:16:41 PM
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IIRC, you think there's a huge pile of misspent money that should be returned to its owners.
11/09/2010 04:12:57 PM
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Yes.
10/09/2010 06:33:22 PM
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Whatever. Completely ignore my points because you want to hide behind the label "personal choice".
10/09/2010 11:13:02 PM
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"if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate" eh?
11/09/2010 03:49:58 PM
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And your comparison of a celebratory party to the basic right to marry itself is ludicrous.
10/09/2010 06:55:18 AM
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That's an unfortunate situation...
10/09/2010 05:10:01 PM
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*hugs* I'm glad you got it taken care of though, and glad to hear from you; been a little worried.
11/09/2010 04:34:31 PM
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