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I'm horrible for tearing into the meaning of words. Phelix Send a noteboard - 08/09/2010 11:36:34 PM
I guess it's just that, in my experience, faggot has a universal meaning in English speaking cultures. There are other associated meanings, but the one that transcends national boundaries is an insult based on perceived sexuality. As an international athlete, she would be aware of the more dominant meaning.

Yes, but we all know that she didn't mean to imply the Springboks were gay. I wouldn't go as far as Rebekah and claim she wasn't aware of the homosexual associations that word carries, that seems unlikely to me too (though who knows). But you know, simply from the context of the statement, it seems obvious that she was calling the Springboks, you know, wusses, weaklings, mocking their failure to beat the Wallabies. And that part is indeed different from the US, where I find it hard to imagine people in macho sports - basketball, say - using the term "faggot" to someone they have no reason to think is gay. But the context of her statements if nothing else should make clear to you that evidently she uses the word in a different way.


Yes, it is fairly obvious she was calling into question their masculinity, their ability to play, etc... but that's the same surface meaning used by athletes here. "I wasn't calling him queer, just a bitch" isn't all that rare.

Really, I don't think there's any further to take that line of reasoning. She might have meant it to mean weak, or she might have meant it to mean queer. We don't know.

I don't think we'll ever know if she needs it or not. She's the only one who could know that. As I said to Rebekah, the fact that she's calling it an out of character act tells me she should examine why she decided to say/do that. If it were an in character act, something she says all the time with her friends or family, she should explain it that way, rather than trying to distance herself from it.

I wouldn't analyze the wording of her apology overmuch. She got into an unexpected shitstorm, had a sponsor drop her, so panicked and most likely had her manager or someone draft an apology. And being active in politics as you are, I imagine you'll agree with me that the most important part of a public apology is making clear as fast as possible that you're entirely taking back what you said. Going with a "yes, I said it, but that word has a different meaning where I'm from" defense risks making people think that you don't mean the apology.


There are two general theories on apologies: 1. I said it and I'm sorry, I'll never say it again, it was wrong; and 2. I said it, but I didn't mean it the way it came out.

Number 1 is quicker, and is usually the route taken by most public officials, but it traps you. You have to abjectly apologize, and if you falter ever again, it brings into question your character and suddenly you have a pattern of bad behavior.

Number 2 takes more time, requires more guts, and generally produces a stronger situation. Coming out to say "Yes, I did it, here is why, here is the lesson I've learned, and here is how I will modify my behavior" takes maturity and it takes experience. Most public figures don't get this until later.

She tried to back off it hard, but that falls apart when people try to defend her based on her culture. (See my discussion with Rebekah). A more nuanced apology would have prevented that and allowed her to let other people fill in the cultural support.

Looking at it from a PR angle, she blundered all over the place.
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I was trying to use her words... - 08/09/2010 10:17:32 PM 959 Views
Ah, okay. Her apology does seem rather clumsy, agreed there. - 08/09/2010 11:05:34 PM 857 Views
Glad to clear up that confusion. - 08/09/2010 11:11:35 PM 1039 Views
I don't think you should read too much in the exact wording of her apology. - 08/09/2010 11:24:21 PM 900 Views
I'm horrible for tearing into the meaning of words. - 08/09/2010 11:36:34 PM 877 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 08/09/2010 10:46:12 PM 477 Views
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Yes, but that's just a surface change. - 08/09/2010 08:20:59 PM 1071 Views
Re: Yes, but that's just a surface change. - 08/09/2010 08:39:52 PM 1156 Views
Re: Yes, but that's just a surface change. - 08/09/2010 08:43:55 PM 919 Views
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It was a very good game though, wasn't it? *NM* - 09/09/2010 12:56:33 PM 497 Views

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