Remember that NC Baptist church kicking out non-Bush supporters in '04?
Joel Send a noteboard - 07/09/2010 11:46:18 AM
Your statement is ridiculous. Try learning something about the Christian (Roman Catholic) tradition and worldview before arguing against some part of it. Ex-communication has existed since the beginning of the Church and is still a valid exercise of action by Church leadership where appropriate - whether you think it is stupid or not.
And, just so you know, most major Protestant churches also reserve the right to shun or kick out of their congregations anyone they find not upholding the standards of the faith (according to them).
And, btw, what you think is dumb is, I dare say, found in every religion to some extent. That is every religion has a means of dealing with heresy or rebelliousness against God's appointed authority.
And, just so you know, most major Protestant churches also reserve the right to shun or kick out of their congregations anyone they find not upholding the standards of the faith (according to them).
And, btw, what you think is dumb is, I dare say, found in every religion to some extent. That is every religion has a means of dealing with heresy or rebelliousness against God's appointed authority.
Seems like much the same thing. And, really, how else could it be? Obviously it's subject to abuse, like anything entrusted to human intermediaries, but if a someone raised in a given religious system went around murdering children, mass producing WMDs and throwing rocks at puppies I can't think of many major religions who wouldn't disavow them. Salvation is properly a matter between the individual and God (for one thing, which of us knows the future; I bet most folks St. Augustine knew in his youth assumed he was on the bullet train to Hell) but if someone's making a mockery of a religions faith while claiming to be a member I don't think it's unreasonable for religious leaders to say, "You sure as hell AREN'T!" Aren't a lot of moderate (read: sane) Muslim clerics doing just that with Islamic terrorists? Did Pope John Paul II endorse the IRA?
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Gay Marriage and Religious Institutions
04/09/2010 11:36:14 PM
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Religion 100% aside, it's"okay" because she breached her contract
05/09/2010 12:18:36 AM
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Well, my tripes with it are a little in line with that
05/09/2010 01:26:56 AM
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Re: Well, my tripes with it are a little in line with that
05/09/2010 01:41:34 AM
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goodness knows that the military sign their rights away ALL THE TIME
05/09/2010 02:44:58 AM
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There is a difference in the degree of the transgressions and the public nature of them as well.
05/09/2010 02:30:06 AM
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agreed. There may be some hypocrisy in the church employment practices...
05/09/2010 02:49:44 AM
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Re: There is a difference in the degree of the transgressions and the public nature of them as well.
09/09/2010 06:43:23 AM
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She chose to work for a Catholic institution.
05/09/2010 05:54:23 PM
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what a stupid thing to say
05/09/2010 07:38:16 PM
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Um... no? One can be excommunicated for any number of things. *NM*
05/09/2010 08:22:29 PM
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yeah back in the time when there was no electricity *NM*
05/09/2010 08:25:17 PM
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...um, no. I'm not sure where you're getting that from, but it's completely wrong.
06/09/2010 01:06:49 AM
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You can't be excommunicated for being gay
06/09/2010 02:51:21 AM
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This is a classic example of me inadvertently coming to complete agreement with the Vatican.
07/09/2010 12:05:52 PM
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Wow! What an underwhelming argument.
06/09/2010 04:24:32 AM
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Remember that NC Baptist church kicking out non-Bush supporters in '04?
07/09/2010 11:46:18 AM
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Actually, the Pope has the right to say "sorry, you're not a Catholic anymore".
05/09/2010 08:43:34 PM
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See above post
06/09/2010 02:52:25 AM
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What?
06/09/2010 02:56:59 AM
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Nope
06/09/2010 03:03:48 AM
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Inaction, like, for example, not saving lives where you could have is also grounds for expulsion.
06/09/2010 06:35:31 PM
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Hmm, but I think that's a different type of inaction than the kind he's discussing
06/09/2010 08:02:50 PM
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I never infered that that was the case.
06/09/2010 08:24:30 PM
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mmm, but your example isn't inaction ALONE
06/09/2010 08:46:56 PM
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Hmm interesting question.
06/09/2010 10:35:19 PM
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is excommunication about "use" though?
06/09/2010 10:36:55 PM
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Well thank god you aren't the pope
07/09/2010 03:29:00 AM
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Dismas is a Saint?
07/09/2010 12:08:45 PM
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You are purposefully trying to split hairs
07/09/2010 03:15:08 AM
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does excommunication mean you are no longer Catholic?
06/09/2010 08:52:58 PM
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i'm pretty sure we have this conversation on a weekly basis. *NM*
06/09/2010 09:05:33 PM
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Yeah.
06/09/2010 10:34:10 PM
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is being Catholic a belief system or a club?
06/09/2010 11:03:00 PM
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It's both.
07/09/2010 05:54:13 AM
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I'm unsure about that. It doesn't invalidate baptism.
07/09/2010 08:23:33 AM
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I thought conformation is what made you a member of the church *NM*
07/09/2010 06:42:36 PM
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You're correct.
08/09/2010 02:33:45 AM
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Either way, it's a sacramental character, and so my point stands. You can't erase the seal of either *NM*
08/09/2010 04:18:12 AM
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My god people that cheat or divorce shouldn't be Catholic
06/09/2010 02:26:23 AM
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