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I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM
I do happen to believe that Obama said exactly what he meant to though. The only thing I could say he should have done differently was to stay out of it in the first place. And even then, we might be bitching about that now.:D

It was an iftar, for crying out loud - as you say, he'd have been criticized if he had stayed out of it, too. He could have picked sides from the start and stuck with them, though.

But I will ask what you think he said in the first place that he came back on. I think that's the sticking point for me. He doesn't seem to have said it was a good idea, but that constitutionally and Americanly, we had to uphold the decision (as long as it was locally legal). I just don't see where clarifying that he had purposely refused to comment on the "wisdom" of it is a "walk back." Of course he said it in an artful manner at the Iftar, but sheesh.:P
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1421 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 826 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 684 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 942 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 669 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 750 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 673 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 458 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 831 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 537 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 428 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 775 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 788 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 634 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 926 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 741 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 931 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 661 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 946 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 800 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 688 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 742 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1059 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 715 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 721 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 462 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 716 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 877 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 368 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 704 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 943 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 807 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 872 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1062 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 913 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 761 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 678 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 804 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 652 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 892 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 894 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 681 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 327 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 957 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 983 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 931 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 371 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 676 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 871 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 967 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 797 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 785 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 838 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 712 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 856 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 729 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 395 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 789 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 834 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 852 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 770 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 669 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1073 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 473 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 681 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 805 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1226 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 889 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 451 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 805 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 976 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 422 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 900 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 849 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 823 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 831 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 808 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 634 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 813 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 770 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 588 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 890 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 811 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1093 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 999 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1229 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1281 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 753 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 809 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 703 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 837 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 522 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1011 Views
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