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Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM
a very large number of people in this world are not fair minded and would give Obama the benefit of the doubt; either out of:
1) genuine different political opinions
2) genuine hatred
3) genuine misunderstanding of Obama in general

In that understanding it is very much up to Obama to couch his language on the lowest common denominator and make sure he is crystal clear.

So he wasn't crystal clear there are two possible explanations:
1) He messed up (this is possible but I find unlikely)
2) He was purposefully two faced (for political reasons which are now biting him in the ass for he messed up).
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1422 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 827 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 685 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 942 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 670 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 751 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 674 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 459 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 831 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 537 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 428 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 776 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 788 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 635 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 927 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 741 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 931 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 661 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 946 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 800 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 688 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 742 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1059 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 717 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 721 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 464 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 717 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 878 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 368 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 704 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 944 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 807 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 872 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1063 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 915 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 762 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 679 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 805 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 653 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 893 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 895 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 682 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 327 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 957 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 984 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 932 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 371 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 676 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 873 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 967 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 797 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 786 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 838 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 712 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 856 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 730 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 396 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 789 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 835 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 852 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 771 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 669 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1074 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 474 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 682 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 805 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1226 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 890 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 452 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 806 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 976 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 422 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 901 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 850 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 824 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 832 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 808 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 635 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 814 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 770 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 589 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 892 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 811 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1094 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1001 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1229 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1281 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 754 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 809 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 704 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 837 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 522 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1012 Views
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