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I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM
I know that's Dowds position, too, I just have no idea how she got there, but since you seem to maybe you can help me understand. What particulars of his first statement did he reverse in his second? Here's the most widely quoted part of the first:

"Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities -– particularly New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of Lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. And the pain and the experience of suffering by those who lost loved ones is just unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. And Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

"But let me be clear. As a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. (Applause.) And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the Founders must endure. "

Here's the second again:

"I was not commenting, and I will not comment, on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about. "

Please show me the conflicting portion(s) of those two statements, because I can't find them. I know much of the right dearly wanted to read the first as an endorsement of the mosque just as the much of the left wanted to read the second as a repudiation of it--I'm just not sure what basis either had for their respective interpretations of quite explicit terms. I mean, I think I remember this scene from one of my favorite films:

Prince Humperdinck: Surrender.
Westley: You mean you wish to surrender to me? Very well, I accept.

Irksome as it sometimes is, in the real world we have to content ourselves with what people actually said rather than what we wish or think they said.

But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1420 Views
wow, that was an interesting read - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 788 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 634 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 926 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 741 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 931 Views
I'm aware of that - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 661 Views
Re: I'm aware of that - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 945 Views
Re: I'm aware of that - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 800 Views
Re: I'm aware of that - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 688 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 742 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1059 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 715 Views
Me too *NM* - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 462 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 877 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 368 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 704 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 943 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 807 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 872 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1062 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 913 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 761 Views
It does - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 678 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 804 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 652 Views
maybe - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 892 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 681 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 327 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 957 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 983 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 931 Views
*NM* - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 371 Views
did you take into your consideration - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 676 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 871 Views
that would be - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 967 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 797 Views
I agree he is not backtracking - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 785 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 837 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 712 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 856 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 729 Views
nope just human *NM* - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 395 Views
that's not what Paul just said. - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 789 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 834 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 851 Views
key word: seem - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 770 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 669 Views
good thing - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1072 Views
he could have and should have stayed out - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 805 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1225 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 889 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 451 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 805 Views
Joel - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 976 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 422 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 900 Views
nonsense - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 849 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 823 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 831 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 808 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 634 Views
lol.<3 - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 813 Views
that it is... - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 770 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 890 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 811 Views
On the off chance that this: - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 998 Views
I do remember your reply... - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1229 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1281 Views
that was a decent explanation.... - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 753 Views
Thanks. - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 809 Views
I do feel bad for them - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 703 Views
Re: Joel - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 837 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 522 Views

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