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Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester Send a noteboard - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM
Nevertheless his area of focus in his graduate work was Modern European History, his later alternate history novels focus on the Pacific Theater for that matter, he may simply have gotten bored of it, God knows my own specialty when I was in grad school is no longer of particular interest to me either. His thesis was on the Belgian government's influence on education in the Congo, so I'm going to take for granted he is heavily versed on modern European history. :)


That may well be. It does mean he is kind of down with anyone else's level on it though - ancient history is interesting but if you are reading up on it for interest, you are reading up on it for interest.

Cynical, yeah, I think so, I'm not a big Newt fan, though I think he was badly maligned by the press back in the 90s, his various efforts at resurgence have not met with a lot of favor from many core conservatives and I'm no exception, I like him, but I wish he'd retire for real. The comment was made more towards Camilla's comments though. I've met a lot of politicians who were deep thinkers and a lot of professors who weren't, most who are both are though, and whether one likes what they say or agrees isn't particularly relevant to the claim. I don't much care for Karl Marx or Ayn Rand, both were deep thinkers.


Fair enough - My impression of him, and as a left leaning type he's never going to be a favourite;), is that he was someone who was very good at what he did at the time he did it (pushing the agenda he did at the time it was pushed, as it was) but it isn't that time now and refighting old battles does no one any favours beyond playing partisan politics (tempting though it is for both sides).
I'm not sure I use deep thinker as you do though. I tend to see it as carrying a greater width of thought than Marx or Rand showed - I see it as something that in politics that people like to suggest they have, that they see the other side of the conflict.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1422 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 827 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 685 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 942 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 670 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 751 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 674 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 459 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 832 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 537 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 429 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 776 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 788 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 635 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 927 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 741 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 931 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 661 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 947 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 801 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 688 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 742 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1059 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 717 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 721 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 464 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 717 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 878 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 369 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 704 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 944 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 808 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 873 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1063 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 915 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 762 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 679 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 805 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 653 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 893 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 895 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 682 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 327 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 957 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 984 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 932 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 371 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 676 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 873 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 967 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 797 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 786 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 838 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 713 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 857 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 730 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 396 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 789 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 835 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 852 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 771 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 670 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1074 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 474 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 682 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 805 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1226 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 890 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 452 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 806 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 977 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 422 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 902 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 850 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 824 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 832 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 809 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 635 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 814 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 770 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 589 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 892 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 811 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1094 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1001 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1229 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1282 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 754 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 809 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 704 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 837 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 522 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1012 Views
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