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*nods* So I was right.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM
better communication (and not sensitivity to the matter) would go a long way to solving this problem.

Unfortunately, the damage may be done. After all, once the dinner is burned, no matter of work can un-burn it.

~Jeordam
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Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM 2389 Views
it's still too close!! IT'S TOO CLOSE I SAY LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 03:23:12 PM 1383 Views
*NM* ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:40:26 AM 585 Views
Yes, it is. Elaine - 17/08/2010 03:23:33 PM 1374 Views
Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque? Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM 1226 Views
I've heard the same. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:30:36 PM 1151 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM 1249 Views
blog link nossy - 17/08/2010 03:41:43 PM 1330 Views
that's correct *NM* damookster - 17/08/2010 03:51:38 PM 587 Views
it's both from what I've heard. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM 1162 Views
sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM 584 Views
mmm, i think more like... LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM 1122 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:08 PM 1020 Views
A memorial! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:58:52 PM 1233 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1200 Views
my wife's church has a play ground and community center random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM 1141 Views
okay, cool then LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:17:04 PM 1027 Views
I was just being nit picky random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:44:36 PM 1002 Views
Been hearing a lot on NPR nossy - 17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM 1230 Views
I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM 1287 Views
Yeah. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:51:13 PM 1204 Views
precisely. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:02:44 PM 1104 Views
This could be part of the reason that most of the opposition doesn't seem to be coming from locals. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:53:06 PM 1209 Views
seriously, it's not like property is some ample commodity in NYC *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:03:24 PM 606 Views
you should probably keep in mind.... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM 1254 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM 1303 Views
Ground Zero specifically refers to the north and south towers where the planes struck... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:26:40 PM 1233 Views
don't use that term at all. Say WTC. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:27:32 AM 599 Views
I know. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:26:19 PM 1169 Views
it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama... damookster - 17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM 1180 Views
True nossy - 17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM 1000 Views
unfortunately... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM 1114 Views
That's because they are pussies. nossy - 17/08/2010 04:10:59 PM 1263 Views
This is beginning to sound familiar. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM 1333 Views
with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM 1232 Views
Seems we disagree on that, then. Legolas - 17/08/2010 06:05:33 PM 1212 Views
hardly the first time random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:56:33 PM 1186 Views
Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM 1178 Views
you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM 1161 Views
I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM 1293 Views
is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM 1134 Views
Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero. Variant - 18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM 1264 Views
ground zero is defined as where the old WTC complex was random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:23:32 PM 1142 Views
And anything within a 3 block radius apparently? Variant - 20/08/2010 04:44:25 AM 1169 Views
Guess which of them will be out of a job in January? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM 1150 Views
the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM 1120 Views
Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM 1209 Views
Bush's numbers were much better in 04 then Obama's are now random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:11:31 PM 1236 Views
Perhaps so then. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:51:36 PM 1149 Views
it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM 1266 Views
Here's a map of the site for perspective Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM 1280 Views
so 2 blocks from the superblock then? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM 1282 Views
I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM 1152 Views
It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM 1126 Views
mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM 1190 Views
A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM 1299 Views
Remember, I did say in Phoenix LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM 1189 Views
I really need to see Phoenix some day. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM 1227 Views
i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix moondog - 18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM 1218 Views
unless you go far enough west of course random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM 1079 Views
most of california is pretty spread out, city-wise. moondog - 19/08/2010 02:16:44 AM 1042 Views
true, I was think along the lines of San Fransico random thoughts - 19/08/2010 03:47:12 AM 1130 Views
Absolutely. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM 1193 Views
Yeah, and it seems to be about 10 autobuses in distance on Google Earth. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:29:43 PM 1086 Views
In NYC, generally 1 mile = 20 blocks *NM* BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 05:25:21 PM 638 Views
Okay. I guess i just forget how much larger Phoenix is *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:28:13 PM 524 Views
Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM 544 Views
*edit* Just for reference... one mile = 5280 feet, 500ft = approx 1/10 of a mile. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:26:19 PM 1147 Views
Judging by Google Earth, the blocks inbetween both contain a single large building. (edit) Legolas - 17/08/2010 07:08:05 PM 1072 Views
Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM 558 Views
Probably, given my corner-to-corner result. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:26:19 PM 565 Views
Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site) Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM 1318 Views
Personally, I think this supports Ave's point. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM 1229 Views
yes... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:29:51 PM 1243 Views
Right. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:31:29 PM 1192 Views
Believe me, honey. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:32:47 PM 1039 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:37:19 PM 1110 Views
You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club. Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM 1092 Views
Really? I had no idea Isaac - 18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM 1179 Views
Re: Really? I had no idea Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM 1225 Views
Hmm... Isaac - 18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM 1175 Views
I didn't even know I was responding to you. Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:08:36 AM 1146 Views
Thanks Isaac - 18/08/2010 04:23:47 AM 1132 Views
It happens...? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:29:44 PM 953 Views
knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around" moondog - 18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM 1159 Views
*NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:10:10 AM 557 Views
They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory! Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM 1234 Views
how so? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM 1057 Views
Maybe it's got something to do with Cordoba, Spain? Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:16:38 PM 1072 Views
From when the Moors conquered Spain Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM 1283 Views
ah mk. fair enough then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:35:39 PM 677 Views
to clarify though snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM 1084 Views
in that respect, I rather like the name *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:23:18 PM 600 Views
Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting. Vodalus - 17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM 1196 Views
Oh indeed snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:20:45 AM 1193 Views
Oh, yeah. I foolishly assumed people would know that part. *NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:34:39 PM 567 Views
Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong. Tom - 18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM 1148 Views
Aaaaaaaaagh Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:13:17 PM 1119 Views
*NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:31:20 PM 549 Views
Or a Christian conquest of Islam, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:07:53 PM 1249 Views
Right on the button. *NM* Tim - 17/08/2010 04:19:39 PM 572 Views
Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM 1058 Views
Re: Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:34:47 PM 1101 Views
it was a rhetorical question in his column damookster - 17/08/2010 04:43:25 PM 1206 Views
that is hardly the same thing random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM 1165 Views
so suppose... damookster - 17/08/2010 06:06:03 PM 1096 Views
I am sure it will I just don't see the relevance random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:57:41 PM 1212 Views
My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM 1140 Views
angry New Yorkers? damookster - 17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM 1237 Views
I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM 1206 Views
We do not live in fear of what "a few crazy people" might do. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:02:06 AM 538 Views
Re: angry New Yorkers? snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM 1133 Views
I was wondering about that. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM 1227 Views
Re: I was wondering about that. snoopcester - 17/08/2010 05:05:50 PM 1181 Views
interesting map, thanks for posting it. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:55:06 PM 598 Views
That's a good point too and I didn't think about that. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 05:39:53 PM 1321 Views
I think what this position misses Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1355 Views
Ok, sure. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:09:33 PM 1240 Views
Hoboken? The_Muted_Grimaud - 17/08/2010 09:06:07 PM 1053 Views
Indeed. Not a serious suggestion about putting it there. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:13:35 PM 1044 Views
angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM 533 Views
not really *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM 458 Views
your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM 501 Views
that's pretty good BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM 1123 Views
That's right. Why resort to violence when a good rant will do? *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 06:09:27 AM 519 Views
and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM 527 Views
How is it ironic? *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM 563 Views
How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM 518 Views
Yes. Where is the irony? Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:20:57 PM 1073 Views
Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM 1079 Views
Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM 1135 Views
Re: Aaah random thoughts - 18/08/2010 05:30:07 PM 1084 Views
Re: Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:38:47 PM 1182 Views
To both of you: her. And she. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 05:44:03 PM 542 Views
I knew that. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:45:21 PM 526 Views
I'm not a New Yorker. Not impuning your civility either. StormCrow - 19/08/2010 02:45:55 AM 1325 Views
Because the building is cheap as hell, because they're mostly abandoned in those areas Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:25:13 AM 1151 Views
Something I'm confused on Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM 1399 Views
another thing to consider. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM 1097 Views
You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM 1113 Views
I don't think anyone is saying it's not "near" ground zero. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:12:52 PM 1218 Views
Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM 1156 Views
Fair enough, I can't really criticize others for going off on tangents since I do it so much *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 06:36:54 PM 551 Views
On that tangent though, an interesting article Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM 1184 Views
From what I understand, there's another mosque very close to the site Brian - 17/08/2010 05:06:26 PM 1277 Views
I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM 1157 Views
Looks like 2 or 3 blocks, I love Google Earth Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:17:01 PM 1212 Views
True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM 550 Views
Joss Whedon purchased the rights to this movie already. *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:29:34 PM 601 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:38:27 PM 534 Views
Yep. Is true. *NM* Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:59:31 PM 557 Views
What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM* ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM 570 Views
Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM 570 Views
Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM 1122 Views
The argument is that it's "hallowed ground" and therefore should be treated with "respect" Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:26:44 AM 1242 Views
No. That might be one argument, but hardly the only one. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:31:14 AM 1235 Views
Pretty much what Greg said. Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM 1173 Views
then you are missing the point random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 1252 Views
In all fairness... Variant - 18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM 1170 Views
these guys are not babes in the woods random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM 1049 Views
I never said they were. Variant - 20/08/2010 04:56:53 AM 1185 Views
Respond/Double post. *NM* Variant - 20/08/2010 04:57:25 AM 495 Views
This whole debate disgusts me. Napoleon62 - 17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM 1337 Views
I'm not going to ask why. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:21:13 PM 534 Views
Agreed Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:10:34 PM 1283 Views
Yep, I see a lot of ugliness in this discussion ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:42:34 AM 1126 Views
Jon Stewart made good point last night Aisha - 17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM 1214 Views
but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 548 Views
which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1068 Views
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't Brian - 17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM 1106 Views
that really isn't true random thoughts - 17/08/2010 07:09:29 PM 1178 Views
yah he really should have just stayed mum about it LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 07:37:03 PM 1157 Views
Ye gods, I agree with you AND CELIA! Joel - 18/08/2010 01:36:21 PM 1301 Views
double post random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1134 Views
Hatemongers gotta hate. Beqi - 17/08/2010 07:43:17 PM 1158 Views
More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM 1129 Views
Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:52:07 PM 1144 Views
Right on. Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM 1098 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM 881 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM 1158 Views
The crux is they can't HELP stirring "up the grief and pain of the past. " Joel - 18/08/2010 01:49:21 PM 1220 Views
are you serious? Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM 1242 Views
I think you got the point right there. Beqi - 17/08/2010 08:08:21 PM 1133 Views
Yes, I am... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM 1137 Views
The point is your analogy does not hold Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM 1127 Views
Plus snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM 1186 Views
Yes. That. *NM* Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:28:14 PM 1056 Views
we should all learn pool saftey from pigeons and sparrows. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:37:37 PM 1069 Views
Sicko! snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:48:05 PM 1118 Views
Re: Yes, I am... Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM 1189 Views
Just to be a pain in the... StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:10:11 PM 1160 Views
Aren't they? Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM 1213 Views
You may be interested in... Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM 1299 Views
*nods* So I was right.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM 1018 Views
actually, it depends on the extent of the burning. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 11:01:11 PM 1094 Views
That is probably not fair snoopcester - 17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM 1147 Views
I know! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM 1158 Views
it's all relative. nossy - 18/08/2010 03:33:35 AM 1238 Views
Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps? snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM 1140 Views
I'm so proud of you for noticing! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM 1213 Views
Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM 1103 Views
I give constuctive replies where they are due ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM 1186 Views
snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:33:57 PM 1137 Views
ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:41:27 PM 1203 Views
Hey Snoop... ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 PM 1200 Views
What the hell were these people smoking? Joel - 18/08/2010 02:14:44 PM 1311 Views
COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring... beckstcw - 19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM 1083 Views
And yet that's very close to what MADD and SADD do. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:56:51 PM 1279 Views
you are right of course random thoughts - 17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM 1102 Views
Re: you are right of course Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:34:31 PM 1267 Views
I agree. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:46:07 PM 1064 Views
you could be correct but it still shows a lack of sensitivity random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:34:46 PM 1284 Views
I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:10:01 PM 1240 Views
Re: I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing *NM* Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:29:59 PM 503 Views
This. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:31:17 PM 1161 Views
So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right? BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM 1069 Views
so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM 993 Views
Well explain what the difference is, then BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 07:14:46 PM 1108 Views
not really sure how to start random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:23:34 PM 1153 Views
THANK YOU ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM 1209 Views
Take deep breaths.. Variant - 18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM 1102 Views
Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM 1203 Views
There are more important things in the world to worry about Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM 1181 Views
I do get angry over other things, you know ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:02:02 AM 1174 Views
Pretty much, yeah. Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 09:00:09 PM 1139 Views
I disagree, anger doesn't help in this debate, and it's only going to make things worse. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:56:30 AM 1186 Views
: Joel - 18/08/2010 02:52:51 PM 1261 Views
So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"? Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM 1006 Views
Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM 1178 Views
I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that. Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM 1208 Views
My only real objection is the same old one over whether respect is an entitlement. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:21:19 PM 1049 Views
A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM 1209 Views
Here comes the "xenophobia card." ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM 1204 Views
Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM 1133 Views
So? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:39:49 AM 1249 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 01:28:44 AM 1253 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:34:22 AM 1240 Views
I think a better parallel would be the new neighbors opening a pool store. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:40:42 PM 1210 Views
A guy on CNN made a really good point about this Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM 1243 Views
That analogy really isn't better than Jeo's, and I would think worse. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:02:50 PM 559 Views
hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM 1163 Views
Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog Aisha - 17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM 1308 Views
precisely. Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:20:06 PM 1045 Views
Re: precisely. Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:09 AM 1141 Views
Re: precisely. Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:10:33 AM 1157 Views
not surprising that a guy on CNN made that point random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:38:16 PM 1251 Views
Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM 1194 Views
An interesting point Vodalus - 18/08/2010 03:44:52 AM 1189 Views
In fairness, it's extremely hard to draw that line sometimes. Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:27:24 AM 1133 Views
well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM 1173 Views
I think this whole debate has made American look bad. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM 1123 Views
So what? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM 1175 Views
Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM 1326 Views
Were we ever? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM 1312 Views
I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM 1272 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM 1161 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM 1145 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:13:37 PM 997 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 09:30:21 PM 1078 Views
Yes, we were. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:34:39 PM 1129 Views
How does this work, do you only look bad to a bunch of ass wipes, or does anyone who thinks you look Helene - 18/08/2010 09:38:28 AM 1075 Views
Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM 1196 Views
love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM* Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM 489 Views
Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM* Napoleon62 - 18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM 590 Views
they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM 532 Views
Let me just say... Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM 1161 Views
Re: Let me just say... Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM 1142 Views
I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 562 Views
Re: I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. Camilla - 18/08/2010 10:45:54 PM 1184 Views
O'Reilly isn't as bad as he's made out to be. (edit) Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:10:33 PM 1186 Views
I'm pretty sure I agree with you. nossy - 18/08/2010 10:48:09 PM 1089 Views
Why is it weird? Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:00:20 PM 1161 Views
dayum! thats like the ultimate insult *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:37:53 AM 510 Views
Stewart is great, but Olberman? You can't be serious. *NM* damookster - 18/08/2010 11:23:17 PM 597 Views
I love that poem Camilla - 18/08/2010 12:26:58 PM 1286 Views
I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA. StarrBecca - 18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM 1236 Views
It is America ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:49:35 AM 1234 Views
the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...." moondog - 18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM 1263 Views
14th ammendment changed that *NM* Roland00 - 18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM 527 Views
14th ammendment established a state religion? moondog - 18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM 1080 Views
No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM 1185 Views
did you go the the Huffington Post school of law? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM 1107 Views
No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM 1213 Views
the defendent doesn't always get a complete picture *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:25:36 PM 532 Views
The only time I was ever in a courtroom was as a spectator. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:33:56 PM 1192 Views
It was meant to be a short comment Roland00 - 19/08/2010 01:13:39 AM 1222 Views
we also have freedom of speech random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:25:52 PM 1079 Views
The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM 1234 Views
Hmm snoopcester - 18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM 1091 Views
Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM 1140 Views
No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM 522 Views
You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*" Joel - 18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM 1104 Views
No Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:08 PM 1178 Views
They clearly are tied to it. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:59:45 PM 1187 Views
How long ago were the Crusades? Jeordam - 18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM 1089 Views
Re: How long ago were the Crusades? Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM 1117 Views
So wait... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM 1056 Views
Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM 1141 Views
Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times. Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM 1095 Views
That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM 594 Views
You're not the only one who is fed up.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM 987 Views
*giggle* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM 1153 Views
We don't know that.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 05:40:25 PM 1149 Views
We do nossy - 18/08/2010 05:49:33 PM 1250 Views
Re: You're not the only one who is fed up.... Helene - 18/08/2010 04:38:04 PM 1156 Views
This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1104 Views
THANK YOU! Aisha - 18/08/2010 06:11:52 PM 1046 Views
Re: So wait... snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:45:53 PM 1052 Views
I agreed with you at first - thought your first post was pretty insightful. nossy - 18/08/2010 05:46:02 PM 1131 Views
maybe it is actions that led to the crusades that never ended random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:25:20 PM 986 Views
I have to agree with Jeo that that's unfair. Joel - 19/08/2010 02:47:23 PM 1321 Views
The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM 1126 Views
Re: The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 1111 Views
Depends whom you ask, when and where. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:06:18 PM 1070 Views
Right snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:31:21 AM 1153 Views
Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today. Joel - 18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM 1116 Views
I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM 1006 Views
It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM 1055 Views
Have you ever BEEN to Gettysburg? SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:21:18 PM 988 Views
A bit more background information Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM 1277 Views
That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM 1056 Views
Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero) Vodalus - 19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM 1244 Views
To be fair snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:38:01 AM 1196 Views
The location of this mosque is a horrid idea. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:34:58 PM 1051 Views
"Think of it as a center for muslim hippies." Jragghen - 18/08/2010 09:30:55 PM 1150 Views
Can I just say... LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM 1058 Views
i have a side bar *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:36:10 AM 448 Views
you must have a teeny screen or a bad resolution LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 05:03:57 AM 1106 Views
I know. Avendesora - 19/08/2010 12:20:11 PM 1151 Views
Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM 1122 Views
Two hundred yards is nothing. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM 1095 Views
Sure it is - it's two large city blocks SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM 1148 Views
It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM 1097 Views
Well you can not like it if you choose SilverWarder - 25/08/2010 03:39:49 PM 1513 Views
You keep stating that this isn't about Islam. Libby - 20/08/2010 11:06:10 AM 1184 Views
That's because it's not. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:17:29 PM 1217 Views
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