Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site)
Isaac Send a noteboard - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM
I just measured from where W. Broadway intersects the GZ site to the corner, two roads up. I'm doing this in Google Earth so I can't link, but my ruler says ~500 feet, 1/10 mile. I did get a link to some images on GE for the area, the link below from 1981 show a pictures from apparently 900 feet away, but basically 4 blocks away, gives a scale, probably better with visual representation. Anyway as mentioned I just measured right down that road, from GZ to the corner of the proposed site.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 17/08/2010 at 07:35:38 PM
Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?!
17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM
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Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque?
17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM
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it's both from what I've heard.
17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM
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sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM*
17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM
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mmm, i think more like...
17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM
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my wife's church has a play ground and community center
17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM
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Been hearing a lot on NPR
17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM
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I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be.
17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM
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This could be part of the reason that most of the opposition doesn't seem to be coming from locals.
17/08/2010 03:53:06 PM
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seriously, it's not like property is some ample commodity in NYC *NM*
17/08/2010 04:03:24 PM
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you should probably keep in mind....
17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM
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So
17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM
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Ground Zero specifically refers to the north and south towers where the planes struck...
17/08/2010 04:26:40 PM
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it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama...
17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM
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True
17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM
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unfortunately...
17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM
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This is beginning to sound familiar.
17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM
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with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right
17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM
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Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right.
17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM
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you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority
18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM
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I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons.
18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM
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is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to?
18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM
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Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero.
18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM
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Guess which of them will be out of a job in January?
18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM
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the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running
18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM
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Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat.
18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM
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it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close
17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM
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Here's a map of the site for perspective
17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM
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so 2 blocks from the superblock then?
17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM
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I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad
17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM
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It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact.
17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM
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mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile.
17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM
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A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely.
17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM
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Remember, I did say in Phoenix
17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM
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I really need to see Phoenix some day.
17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM
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i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix
18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM
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unless you go far enough west of course
18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM
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Absolutely.
17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM
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Yeah, and it seems to be about 10 autobuses in distance on Google Earth.
17/08/2010 05:29:43 PM
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Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM*
17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM
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*edit* Just for reference... one mile = 5280 feet, 500ft = approx 1/10 of a mile.
17/08/2010 06:26:19 PM
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Judging by Google Earth, the blocks inbetween both contain a single large building. (edit)
17/08/2010 07:08:05 PM
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Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM*
17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM
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Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site)
17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM
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Personally, I think this supports Ave's point.
17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM
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You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club.
17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM
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Really? I had no idea
18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM
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Re: Really? I had no idea
18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM
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Hmm...
18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM
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knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around"
18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM
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They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory!
17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM
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how so?
17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM
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From when the Moors conquered Spain
17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM
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to clarify though
17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM
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Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting.
17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM
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Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong.
18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM
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Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post...
17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM
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that is hardly the same thing
17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM
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My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close?
17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM
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angry New Yorkers?
17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM
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I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post.
17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM
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We do not live in fear of what "a few crazy people" might do. *NM*
18/08/2010 12:02:06 AM
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Re: angry New Yorkers?
17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM
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I was wondering about that.
17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM
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angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM*
18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM
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not really *NM*
18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM
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your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM*
18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM
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that's pretty good
18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM
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That's right. Why resort to violence when a good rant will do? *NM*
18/08/2010 06:09:27 AM
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and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM*
18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM
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How is it ironic? *NM*
18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM
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How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM*
18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM
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Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic?
18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM
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Aaah
18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM
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Because the building is cheap as hell, because they're mostly abandoned in those areas
18/08/2010 01:25:13 AM
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Something I'm confused on
17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM
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another thing to consider.
17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM
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You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said
17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM
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Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought.
17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM
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Fair enough, I can't really criticize others for going off on tangents since I do it so much *NM*
17/08/2010 06:36:54 PM
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From what I understand, there's another mosque very close to the site
17/08/2010 05:06:26 PM
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I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius.
17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM
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True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM*
17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM
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What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM*
18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM
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Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM*
18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM
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Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it.
18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM
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The argument is that it's "hallowed ground" and therefore should be treated with "respect"
18/08/2010 01:26:44 AM
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Pretty much what Greg said.
18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM
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then you are missing the point
18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM
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In all fairness...
18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM
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these guys are not babes in the woods
19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM
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This whole debate disgusts me.
17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM
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Jon Stewart made good point last night
17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM
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but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM*
17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM
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which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue
17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM
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He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't
17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM
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More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue....
17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM
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17/08/2010 07:52:07 PM
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Right on.
17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM
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yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR.
17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM
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yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR.
17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM
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The crux is they can't HELP stirring "up the grief and pain of the past. "
18/08/2010 01:49:21 PM
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are you serious?
17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM
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Yes, I am...
17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM
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The point is your analogy does not hold
17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM
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Plus
17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM
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Re: Yes, I am...
17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM
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Aren't they?
17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM
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You may be interested in...
17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM
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*nods* So I was right....
17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM
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That is probably not fair
17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM
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I know!
18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM
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Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps?
18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM
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I'm so proud of you for noticing!
18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM
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Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one
18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM
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I give constuctive replies where they are due
18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM
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COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring...
19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM
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you are right of course
17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM
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So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right?
17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM
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so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric?
18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM
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THANK YOU
18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM
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Take deep breaths..
18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM
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Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort
18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM
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There are more important things in the world to worry about
18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM
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I disagree, anger doesn't help in this debate, and it's only going to make things worse.
18/08/2010 10:56:30 AM
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So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"?
18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM
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Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption
18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM
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I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that.
18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM
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My only real objection is the same old one over whether respect is an entitlement.
18/08/2010 02:21:19 PM
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A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11
18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM
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Here comes the "xenophobia card."
18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM
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Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year
18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM
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I think a better parallel would be the new neighbors opening a pool store.
18/08/2010 01:40:42 PM
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A guy on CNN made a really good point about this
17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM
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That analogy really isn't better than Jeo's, and I would think worse. *NM*
17/08/2010 09:02:50 PM
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hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog
17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM
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Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog
17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM
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Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest
17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM
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well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times
18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM
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I think this whole debate has made American look bad.
17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM
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So what?
18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM
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Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance.
18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM
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Were we ever?
18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM
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I guess not.
18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM
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Re: I guess not.
18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM
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Re: I guess not.
18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM
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How does this work, do you only look bad to a bunch of ass wipes, or does anyone who thinks you look
18/08/2010 09:38:28 AM
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Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head
18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM
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love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM*
18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM
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Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM*
18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM
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they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM*
18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM
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Let me just say...
18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM
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Re: Let me just say...
18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM
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I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM*
18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM
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I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA.
18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM
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the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...."
18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM
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14th ammendment changed that *NM*
18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM
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14th ammendment established a state religion?
18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM
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No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states.
18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM
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did you go the the Huffington Post school of law?
18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM
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No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit.
18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM
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The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate.
18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM
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Hmm
18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM
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Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911.
18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM
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No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM*
18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM
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You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*"
18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM
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How long ago were the Crusades?
18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM
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Re: How long ago were the Crusades?
18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM
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So wait...
18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM
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Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now.
18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM
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Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times.
18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM
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That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM*
18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM
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You're not the only one who is fed up....
18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM
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*giggle*
18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM
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This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception...
18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM
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I agreed with you at first - thought your first post was pretty insightful.
18/08/2010 05:46:02 PM
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The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way
18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM
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Re: The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way
18/08/2010 04:11:34 PM
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Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today.
18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM
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I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark...
18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM
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It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg.
19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM
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A bit more background information
18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM
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That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything.
19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM
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Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero)
19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM
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Can I just say...
19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM
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Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner
19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM
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Two hundred yards is nothing.
19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM
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Sure it is - it's two large city blocks
19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM
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It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places.
21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM
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