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So Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM
Because I've heard cultural center/community center/etc. too, but will there actually be a place of worship there also?

I think there will be a place to worship, but mostly that it's just a place for people to get together, get educated re: Islam and visit with the community. There was something about a pool?


I guess if there is a formal place of worship, I'm okay with using the word "mosque" to describe it even if that's by no means all that's planned for the site. But if there isn't going to be one then it is deliberately inflammatory to use that word (and preying (ha!) on people's ignorance of religion/culture).

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Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM 2389 Views
it's still too close!! IT'S TOO CLOSE I SAY LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 03:23:12 PM 1383 Views
*NM* ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:40:26 AM 585 Views
Yes, it is. Elaine - 17/08/2010 03:23:33 PM 1374 Views
Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque? Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM 1226 Views
I've heard the same. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:30:36 PM 1151 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM 1250 Views
blog link nossy - 17/08/2010 03:41:43 PM 1330 Views
that's correct *NM* damookster - 17/08/2010 03:51:38 PM 587 Views
it's both from what I've heard. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM 1162 Views
sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM 584 Views
mmm, i think more like... LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM 1122 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:08 PM 1020 Views
A memorial! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:58:52 PM 1233 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1200 Views
my wife's church has a play ground and community center random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM 1141 Views
okay, cool then LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:17:04 PM 1027 Views
I was just being nit picky random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:44:36 PM 1002 Views
Been hearing a lot on NPR nossy - 17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM 1230 Views
I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM 1287 Views
Yeah. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:51:13 PM 1204 Views
precisely. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:02:44 PM 1104 Views
This could be part of the reason that most of the opposition doesn't seem to be coming from locals. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:53:06 PM 1209 Views
seriously, it's not like property is some ample commodity in NYC *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:03:24 PM 606 Views
you should probably keep in mind.... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM 1254 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM 1303 Views
Ground Zero specifically refers to the north and south towers where the planes struck... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:26:40 PM 1233 Views
don't use that term at all. Say WTC. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:27:32 AM 599 Views
I know. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:26:19 PM 1169 Views
it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama... damookster - 17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM 1180 Views
True nossy - 17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM 1000 Views
unfortunately... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM 1114 Views
That's because they are pussies. nossy - 17/08/2010 04:10:59 PM 1263 Views
This is beginning to sound familiar. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM 1333 Views
with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM 1232 Views
Seems we disagree on that, then. Legolas - 17/08/2010 06:05:33 PM 1212 Views
hardly the first time random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:56:33 PM 1186 Views
Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM 1178 Views
you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM 1161 Views
I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM 1293 Views
is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM 1134 Views
Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero. Variant - 18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM 1264 Views
ground zero is defined as where the old WTC complex was random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:23:32 PM 1142 Views
And anything within a 3 block radius apparently? Variant - 20/08/2010 04:44:25 AM 1169 Views
Guess which of them will be out of a job in January? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM 1150 Views
the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM 1120 Views
Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM 1209 Views
Bush's numbers were much better in 04 then Obama's are now random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:11:31 PM 1236 Views
Perhaps so then. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:51:36 PM 1149 Views
it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM 1266 Views
Here's a map of the site for perspective Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM 1280 Views
so 2 blocks from the superblock then? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM 1282 Views
I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM 1152 Views
It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM 1126 Views
mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM 1190 Views
A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM 1299 Views
Remember, I did say in Phoenix LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM 1190 Views
I really need to see Phoenix some day. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM 1227 Views
i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix moondog - 18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM 1218 Views
unless you go far enough west of course random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM 1079 Views
most of california is pretty spread out, city-wise. moondog - 19/08/2010 02:16:44 AM 1042 Views
true, I was think along the lines of San Fransico random thoughts - 19/08/2010 03:47:12 AM 1130 Views
Absolutely. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM 1193 Views
Yeah, and it seems to be about 10 autobuses in distance on Google Earth. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:29:43 PM 1086 Views
In NYC, generally 1 mile = 20 blocks *NM* BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 05:25:21 PM 638 Views
Okay. I guess i just forget how much larger Phoenix is *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:28:13 PM 524 Views
Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM 544 Views
*edit* Just for reference... one mile = 5280 feet, 500ft = approx 1/10 of a mile. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:26:19 PM 1147 Views
Judging by Google Earth, the blocks inbetween both contain a single large building. (edit) Legolas - 17/08/2010 07:08:05 PM 1072 Views
Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM 558 Views
Probably, given my corner-to-corner result. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:26:19 PM 565 Views
Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site) Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM 1318 Views
Personally, I think this supports Ave's point. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM 1229 Views
yes... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:29:51 PM 1243 Views
Right. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:31:29 PM 1192 Views
Believe me, honey. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:32:47 PM 1039 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:37:19 PM 1110 Views
You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club. Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM 1092 Views
Really? I had no idea Isaac - 18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM 1179 Views
Re: Really? I had no idea Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM 1225 Views
Hmm... Isaac - 18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM 1175 Views
I didn't even know I was responding to you. Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:08:36 AM 1146 Views
Thanks Isaac - 18/08/2010 04:23:47 AM 1132 Views
It happens...? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:29:44 PM 953 Views
knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around" moondog - 18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM 1159 Views
*NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:10:10 AM 557 Views
They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory! Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM 1234 Views
how so? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM 1057 Views
Maybe it's got something to do with Cordoba, Spain? Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:16:38 PM 1072 Views
From when the Moors conquered Spain Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM 1283 Views
ah mk. fair enough then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:35:39 PM 677 Views
to clarify though snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM 1084 Views
in that respect, I rather like the name *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:23:18 PM 600 Views
Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting. Vodalus - 17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM 1196 Views
Oh indeed snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:20:45 AM 1193 Views
Oh, yeah. I foolishly assumed people would know that part. *NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:34:39 PM 567 Views
Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong. Tom - 18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM 1148 Views
Aaaaaaaaagh Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:13:17 PM 1119 Views
*NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:31:20 PM 549 Views
Or a Christian conquest of Islam, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:07:53 PM 1249 Views
Right on the button. *NM* Tim - 17/08/2010 04:19:39 PM 572 Views
Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM 1058 Views
Re: Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:34:47 PM 1101 Views
it was a rhetorical question in his column damookster - 17/08/2010 04:43:25 PM 1206 Views
that is hardly the same thing random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM 1165 Views
so suppose... damookster - 17/08/2010 06:06:03 PM 1096 Views
I am sure it will I just don't see the relevance random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:57:41 PM 1212 Views
My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM 1140 Views
angry New Yorkers? damookster - 17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM 1237 Views
I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM 1206 Views
We do not live in fear of what "a few crazy people" might do. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:02:06 AM 538 Views
Re: angry New Yorkers? snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM 1133 Views
I was wondering about that. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM 1227 Views
Re: I was wondering about that. snoopcester - 17/08/2010 05:05:50 PM 1181 Views
interesting map, thanks for posting it. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:55:06 PM 598 Views
That's a good point too and I didn't think about that. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 05:39:53 PM 1321 Views
I think what this position misses Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1355 Views
Ok, sure. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:09:33 PM 1240 Views
Hoboken? The_Muted_Grimaud - 17/08/2010 09:06:07 PM 1053 Views
Indeed. Not a serious suggestion about putting it there. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:13:35 PM 1044 Views
angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM 533 Views
not really *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM 458 Views
your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM 501 Views
that's pretty good BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM 1123 Views
That's right. Why resort to violence when a good rant will do? *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 06:09:27 AM 519 Views
and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM 527 Views
How is it ironic? *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM 563 Views
How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM 518 Views
Yes. Where is the irony? Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:20:57 PM 1073 Views
Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM 1079 Views
Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM 1135 Views
Re: Aaah random thoughts - 18/08/2010 05:30:07 PM 1084 Views
Re: Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:38:47 PM 1182 Views
To both of you: her. And she. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 05:44:03 PM 542 Views
I knew that. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:45:21 PM 527 Views
I'm not a New Yorker. Not impuning your civility either. StormCrow - 19/08/2010 02:45:55 AM 1325 Views
Because the building is cheap as hell, because they're mostly abandoned in those areas Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:25:13 AM 1151 Views
Something I'm confused on Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM 1399 Views
another thing to consider. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM 1097 Views
You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM 1113 Views
I don't think anyone is saying it's not "near" ground zero. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:12:52 PM 1218 Views
Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM 1156 Views
Fair enough, I can't really criticize others for going off on tangents since I do it so much *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 06:36:54 PM 551 Views
On that tangent though, an interesting article Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM 1184 Views
From what I understand, there's another mosque very close to the site Brian - 17/08/2010 05:06:26 PM 1277 Views
I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM 1157 Views
Looks like 2 or 3 blocks, I love Google Earth Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:17:01 PM 1212 Views
True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM 550 Views
Joss Whedon purchased the rights to this movie already. *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:29:34 PM 601 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:38:27 PM 534 Views
Yep. Is true. *NM* Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:59:31 PM 557 Views
What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM* ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM 570 Views
Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM 570 Views
Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM 1122 Views
The argument is that it's "hallowed ground" and therefore should be treated with "respect" Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:26:44 AM 1242 Views
No. That might be one argument, but hardly the only one. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:31:14 AM 1235 Views
Pretty much what Greg said. Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM 1173 Views
then you are missing the point random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 1252 Views
In all fairness... Variant - 18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM 1170 Views
these guys are not babes in the woods random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM 1049 Views
I never said they were. Variant - 20/08/2010 04:56:53 AM 1185 Views
Respond/Double post. *NM* Variant - 20/08/2010 04:57:25 AM 495 Views
This whole debate disgusts me. Napoleon62 - 17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM 1337 Views
I'm not going to ask why. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:21:13 PM 534 Views
Agreed Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:10:34 PM 1283 Views
Yep, I see a lot of ugliness in this discussion ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:42:34 AM 1126 Views
Jon Stewart made good point last night Aisha - 17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM 1214 Views
but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 548 Views
which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1068 Views
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't Brian - 17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM 1106 Views
that really isn't true random thoughts - 17/08/2010 07:09:29 PM 1178 Views
yah he really should have just stayed mum about it LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 07:37:03 PM 1157 Views
Ye gods, I agree with you AND CELIA! Joel - 18/08/2010 01:36:21 PM 1301 Views
double post random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1134 Views
Hatemongers gotta hate. Beqi - 17/08/2010 07:43:17 PM 1158 Views
More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM 1130 Views
Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:52:07 PM 1144 Views
Right on. Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM 1098 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM 881 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM 1158 Views
The crux is they can't HELP stirring "up the grief and pain of the past. " Joel - 18/08/2010 01:49:21 PM 1220 Views
are you serious? Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM 1242 Views
I think you got the point right there. Beqi - 17/08/2010 08:08:21 PM 1133 Views
Yes, I am... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM 1137 Views
The point is your analogy does not hold Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM 1127 Views
Plus snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM 1186 Views
Yes. That. *NM* Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:28:14 PM 1056 Views
we should all learn pool saftey from pigeons and sparrows. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:37:37 PM 1069 Views
Sicko! snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:48:05 PM 1118 Views
Re: Yes, I am... Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM 1189 Views
Just to be a pain in the... StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:10:11 PM 1160 Views
Aren't they? Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM 1214 Views
You may be interested in... Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM 1299 Views
*nods* So I was right.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM 1018 Views
actually, it depends on the extent of the burning. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 11:01:11 PM 1094 Views
That is probably not fair snoopcester - 17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM 1147 Views
I know! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM 1158 Views
it's all relative. nossy - 18/08/2010 03:33:35 AM 1238 Views
Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps? snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM 1140 Views
I'm so proud of you for noticing! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM 1213 Views
Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM 1103 Views
I give constuctive replies where they are due ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM 1186 Views
snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:33:57 PM 1137 Views
ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:41:27 PM 1203 Views
Hey Snoop... ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 PM 1200 Views
What the hell were these people smoking? Joel - 18/08/2010 02:14:44 PM 1311 Views
COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring... beckstcw - 19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM 1083 Views
And yet that's very close to what MADD and SADD do. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:56:51 PM 1279 Views
you are right of course random thoughts - 17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM 1102 Views
Re: you are right of course Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:34:31 PM 1267 Views
I agree. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:46:07 PM 1064 Views
you could be correct but it still shows a lack of sensitivity random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:34:46 PM 1284 Views
I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:10:01 PM 1240 Views
Re: I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing *NM* Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:29:59 PM 503 Views
This. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:31:17 PM 1161 Views
So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right? BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM 1069 Views
so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM 993 Views
Well explain what the difference is, then BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 07:14:46 PM 1108 Views
not really sure how to start random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:23:34 PM 1153 Views
THANK YOU ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM 1209 Views
Take deep breaths.. Variant - 18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM 1102 Views
Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM 1203 Views
There are more important things in the world to worry about Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM 1181 Views
I do get angry over other things, you know ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:02:02 AM 1174 Views
Pretty much, yeah. Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 09:00:09 PM 1139 Views
I disagree, anger doesn't help in this debate, and it's only going to make things worse. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:56:30 AM 1186 Views
: Joel - 18/08/2010 02:52:51 PM 1261 Views
So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"? Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM 1006 Views
Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM 1178 Views
I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that. Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM 1208 Views
My only real objection is the same old one over whether respect is an entitlement. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:21:19 PM 1049 Views
A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM 1209 Views
Here comes the "xenophobia card." ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM 1204 Views
Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM 1133 Views
So? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:39:49 AM 1249 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 01:28:44 AM 1253 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:34:22 AM 1240 Views
I think a better parallel would be the new neighbors opening a pool store. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:40:42 PM 1210 Views
A guy on CNN made a really good point about this Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM 1243 Views
That analogy really isn't better than Jeo's, and I would think worse. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:02:50 PM 559 Views
hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM 1163 Views
Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog Aisha - 17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM 1308 Views
precisely. Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:20:06 PM 1045 Views
Re: precisely. Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:09 AM 1141 Views
Re: precisely. Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:10:33 AM 1157 Views
not surprising that a guy on CNN made that point random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:38:16 PM 1251 Views
Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM 1194 Views
An interesting point Vodalus - 18/08/2010 03:44:52 AM 1189 Views
In fairness, it's extremely hard to draw that line sometimes. Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:27:24 AM 1133 Views
well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM 1173 Views
I think this whole debate has made American look bad. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM 1123 Views
So what? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM 1175 Views
Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM 1327 Views
Were we ever? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM 1312 Views
I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM 1272 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM 1161 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM 1145 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:13:37 PM 997 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 09:30:21 PM 1078 Views
Yes, we were. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:34:39 PM 1129 Views
How does this work, do you only look bad to a bunch of ass wipes, or does anyone who thinks you look Helene - 18/08/2010 09:38:28 AM 1075 Views
Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM 1196 Views
love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM* Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM 490 Views
Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM* Napoleon62 - 18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM 590 Views
they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM 532 Views
Let me just say... Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM 1161 Views
Re: Let me just say... Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM 1142 Views
I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 562 Views
Re: I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. Camilla - 18/08/2010 10:45:54 PM 1184 Views
O'Reilly isn't as bad as he's made out to be. (edit) Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:10:33 PM 1186 Views
I'm pretty sure I agree with you. nossy - 18/08/2010 10:48:09 PM 1089 Views
Why is it weird? Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:00:20 PM 1161 Views
dayum! thats like the ultimate insult *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:37:53 AM 510 Views
Stewart is great, but Olberman? You can't be serious. *NM* damookster - 18/08/2010 11:23:17 PM 597 Views
I love that poem Camilla - 18/08/2010 12:26:58 PM 1286 Views
I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA. StarrBecca - 18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM 1236 Views
It is America ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:49:35 AM 1234 Views
the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...." moondog - 18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM 1263 Views
14th ammendment changed that *NM* Roland00 - 18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM 527 Views
14th ammendment established a state religion? moondog - 18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM 1080 Views
No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM 1185 Views
did you go the the Huffington Post school of law? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM 1107 Views
No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM 1213 Views
the defendent doesn't always get a complete picture *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:25:36 PM 533 Views
The only time I was ever in a courtroom was as a spectator. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:33:56 PM 1192 Views
It was meant to be a short comment Roland00 - 19/08/2010 01:13:39 AM 1222 Views
we also have freedom of speech random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:25:52 PM 1079 Views
The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM 1234 Views
Hmm snoopcester - 18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM 1091 Views
Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM 1140 Views
No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM 522 Views
You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*" Joel - 18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM 1104 Views
No Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:08 PM 1178 Views
They clearly are tied to it. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:59:45 PM 1187 Views
How long ago were the Crusades? Jeordam - 18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM 1089 Views
Re: How long ago were the Crusades? Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM 1117 Views
So wait... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM 1056 Views
Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM 1141 Views
Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times. Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM 1095 Views
That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM 594 Views
You're not the only one who is fed up.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM 987 Views
*giggle* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM 1153 Views
We don't know that.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 05:40:25 PM 1149 Views
We do nossy - 18/08/2010 05:49:33 PM 1250 Views
Re: You're not the only one who is fed up.... Helene - 18/08/2010 04:38:04 PM 1156 Views
This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1104 Views
THANK YOU! Aisha - 18/08/2010 06:11:52 PM 1046 Views
Re: So wait... snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:45:53 PM 1052 Views
I agreed with you at first - thought your first post was pretty insightful. nossy - 18/08/2010 05:46:02 PM 1131 Views
maybe it is actions that led to the crusades that never ended random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:25:20 PM 986 Views
I have to agree with Jeo that that's unfair. Joel - 19/08/2010 02:47:23 PM 1321 Views
The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM 1126 Views
Re: The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 1111 Views
Depends whom you ask, when and where. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:06:18 PM 1070 Views
Right snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:31:21 AM 1153 Views
Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today. Joel - 18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM 1116 Views
I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM 1006 Views
It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM 1055 Views
Have you ever BEEN to Gettysburg? SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:21:18 PM 988 Views
A bit more background information Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM 1277 Views
That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM 1056 Views
Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero) Vodalus - 19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM 1244 Views
To be fair snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:38:01 AM 1196 Views
The location of this mosque is a horrid idea. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:34:58 PM 1051 Views
"Think of it as a center for muslim hippies." Jragghen - 18/08/2010 09:30:55 PM 1150 Views
Can I just say... LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM 1058 Views
i have a side bar *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:36:10 AM 448 Views
you must have a teeny screen or a bad resolution LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 05:03:57 AM 1106 Views
I know. Avendesora - 19/08/2010 12:20:11 PM 1151 Views
Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM 1122 Views
Two hundred yards is nothing. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM 1095 Views
Sure it is - it's two large city blocks SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM 1148 Views
It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM 1097 Views
Well you can not like it if you choose SilverWarder - 25/08/2010 03:39:49 PM 1513 Views
You keep stating that this isn't about Islam. Libby - 20/08/2010 11:06:10 AM 1184 Views
That's because it's not. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:17:29 PM 1217 Views
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