I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/08/2010 04:51:38 PM
Mexico is such a God-awful country that people are fleeing in droves (no offense to anybody from Mexico or who has family there. I have many, many Hispanic friends who agree that Mexico is a dangerous place. It sucks because some areas are really beautiful). So I told my friend, tongue-in-cheek, that we should just take Mexico over. We laughed about it and discussed other things.
Let's not exaggerate here. Ciudad Juarez is one of the most dangerous places on earth, agreed, and the drugs-related violence is also present to varying degrees in other parts of the country. But there are regions that are quite calm and where one can live decently, and Mexico is not remotely as poor as a number of other countries in the Americas - well above the median, I'd even say. And of course you cannot look at the drugs issue without looking at the role played in that by the American drug users, and the American war on drugs.
However, the thought has stuck with me ever since. I started thinking about the history of this world and how countries have come into being. So my philosophical question for the day is, once a country is established, does it have the right to always exist as is? At what point does a country deserve to have better leadership?
If you think Mexico is in a position where you start considering taking it over, I'd have to say there are at least fifty and I think closer to eighty or even a hundred other countries that are worse off and need taking over sooner.
By the way, I don't think we should really take over Mexico. It's just frustration with the immigration debate and the drug violence. A lot of people here in South Texas are affected by it. I just wish Mexico could get its act together. I wonder, though, how the Mexican people would feel about being a part of the US. Do a majority of them have national pride? Hmmm food for thought
Er, let's see. Ever heard of Cinco de Mayo? Noticed all the interest whenever the Mexican and American soccer teams play each other? You bet Mexican people have national pride, both the ones in Mexico and those in the US. Their country is nearly as old as the US, after all - what is it, 1810 or thereabouts? - even if they've had dictatorships for a large part of their history.
At what point does it become ok to take over a country?
- 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM
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why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM*
- 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM
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Yeah that's why i don't want us to take over. I think the US is already too big as is *NM*
- 16/08/2010 04:37:41 PM
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One might argue it already is. The other way around too, though. *NM*
- 16/08/2010 04:44:19 PM
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I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride.
- 16/08/2010 04:51:38 PM
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- 16/08/2010 05:11:49 PM
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Actually, make that number 120 to 150. *NM*
- 16/08/2010 05:14:15 PM
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We don't invade countries we can't locate on the map...
- 16/08/2010 06:01:43 PM
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So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself? 
- 16/08/2010 06:11:43 PM
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- 16/08/2010 06:11:43 PM
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Re: So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself?
- 16/08/2010 06:30:56 PM
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- 16/08/2010 06:30:56 PM
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When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both
- 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM
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I agree we should attack Canada instead
- 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM
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Yeah, but they don't gouge us for the oil, cost the same as anyone else *NM*
- 16/08/2010 05:49:38 PM
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I would legalize drugs ten times over before I would annex Mexico.
- 16/08/2010 05:36:37 PM
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"I would stop doing a bad thing 10 times over before I did a worse thing"? WTF? *NM*
- 16/08/2010 06:04:48 PM
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Read the original post. He proposes annexing Mexico due to the drug problem.
- 16/08/2010 06:28:54 PM
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He's just nitpicking on your phrasing in the subject line. I think. *NM*
- 16/08/2010 06:37:17 PM
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that sounds like a much better immigration solution idea than "let's build a GIGANTIC FENCE!!!" *NM*
- 16/08/2010 06:33:46 PM
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Work Visas might help, but...
- 16/08/2010 06:51:11 PM
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Oh i know it's not a complete solution and i have no problem with a fence
- 16/08/2010 07:43:26 PM
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Just so long as we're both on the 'multi-front solution' page 
- 16/08/2010 08:35:06 PM
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- 16/08/2010 08:35:06 PM
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it's also worth noting that no one is proposing throwing out the Cubans
- 16/08/2010 08:54:46 PM
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- 16/08/2010 08:54:46 PM
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When the US says so. We are the bosses of the World, are we not? *NM*
- 16/08/2010 08:06:08 PM
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Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM*
- 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM
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If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM*
- 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM
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Really? Why is that? I'm not too terribly familiar with Hitler's reasons for mass genocide *NM*
- 16/08/2010 09:30:48 PM
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Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35
- 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM
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Ok that's what I was thinking
- 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM
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Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating".
- 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM
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Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating".
- 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM
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I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to...
- 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM
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Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing
- 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM
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Ah,
- 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM
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Nah, more like, I know I shouldn't have done this, but I couldn't resist. *NM*
- 16/08/2010 10:07:35 PM
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Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me.
- 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM
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The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping
- 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM
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I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue.
- 16/08/2010 10:09:16 PM
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Re: I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue.
- 16/08/2010 10:19:19 PM
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The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half?
- 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM
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"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM*
- 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM
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yes after a messy political and physical "conflict"
- 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM
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There was also the Gasdsen Purchase
- 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM
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The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware.
- 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM
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and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM*
- 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM
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same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it.
- 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM
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it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it.
- 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM
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my best friend is an illegal and is going back to mexico in a few months
- 16/08/2010 11:28:11 PM
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every issue is simpler when you don't have faces to represent it for you. *NM*
- 16/08/2010 11:29:38 PM
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We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels.
- 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM
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- 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM
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- 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM
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I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM*
- 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM
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