Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there
SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM
To me the 'enforcement body' is the body that does the actual enforcement.
By your definition a city council is an enforcement body because they control the police. I think that is confusing and inaccurate.
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Or Somalia. Or Darfur in the Sudan. Or Afghanistan. Or Pakistan. Or Kashmir. Or - need I go on?
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A lot do, yes.
But read on...
Oh sure. In fact, let's take the cluster bomb thing you mentioned above. You know WHY cluster bombs are on the ban? For one, they're frequently considered mines (they aren't, they're unexploded ordnance, but never mind that for a moment) the big reason is that cluster bombs are hugely effective and are highly technological. Small little dirtbag countries cannot deploy them most of the time. So they get everyone up in arms about unexploded ordnance (a problem in every war since the American Civil War and still an issue in parts of Europe from the two World Wars) and how cluster bombs are evil and that they should be banned. Everyone agrees that this is terrible and all those countries whose militaries either A) Don't want to be hit by weapons they cannot field or B) Don't use their militaries because they're too liberal jump on the bandwagon. The US tells everyone to piss off because cluster bombs work very well and they know full well what's really going on.
Also - the whole Landmine thing. Does anyone ACTUALLY think that a treaty would have prevented the Khmer Rouge from filling big chunks of Southeast Asia with mines? I think not. We're talking about people who think piles of skulls are a good cultural statement. Is it going to prevent terrorists or insurgents from using IEDs (which are effectively landmines)? Umm, hasn't yet. How about the tinpot dictatorships? No, Saddam used them extensively in his defensive belts in the desert. So who then, is this legislation actually aimed at? The US. Why? Because, among other things, North Korea would really like to see the DMZ not filled with modern US maintained mines - it would make it easier for them to cause trouble.
The main reason the US didn't sign that treaty was because of the DMZ by the way. Other than that they were more or less fine with it save as it impacted cluster bombs and airfield denial mines - but of course the US is almost the only country which actually uses those technologies.
Or let's go back a bit further to the UN treaty on the Clark Orbit. The Clark (after late SF writer Arthur C. Clark) orbit is also commonly known as the geosynchronous orbit - the best orbit to put something up and have it stay over the spot it was put. This is highly useful for things like telecommunications satellites.
Now at the time the treaty was written there was huge pressure for the treaty to be 'fair' and every nation to have a section of the Clark orbit allocated to it. So that's what was done. Never mind that the vast majority of those countries didn't have space programs and couldn't USE their spots, they wanted them anyway. The real reason why was that a lot of South American dictators didn't want the US to put up spy satellites or telecommunications satellites that they didn't and couldn't control over their countries. So by demanding their 'fair share' they were just playing denial tactics.
There are other examples, plenty of them, but I think that should do.
By your definition a city council is an enforcement body because they control the police. I think that is confusing and inaccurate.
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Whilst of course it is not the same and fundamentally voluntary, there are usually enough countries willing to donate enough troops. Not counting Rwanda.
Or Somalia. Or Darfur in the Sudan. Or Afghanistan. Or Pakistan. Or Kashmir. Or - need I go on?
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Do people assume that? I think most people are aware that the US is not invovled in most of the military treaties and many of the conventions of the UN, examples being the recent ban on cluster bombs and the less recent failure to ratify the Rome Statute. Part of the maintainence of International Law is in the fact that we simply accept it as much in mere principle.
A lot do, yes.
But read on...
Can you actually explain how the UN is used by small countries to screw over the large ones? I'm not really sure if I understand the plausibility/ actual historical occurance of this.
Oh sure. In fact, let's take the cluster bomb thing you mentioned above. You know WHY cluster bombs are on the ban? For one, they're frequently considered mines (they aren't, they're unexploded ordnance, but never mind that for a moment) the big reason is that cluster bombs are hugely effective and are highly technological. Small little dirtbag countries cannot deploy them most of the time. So they get everyone up in arms about unexploded ordnance (a problem in every war since the American Civil War and still an issue in parts of Europe from the two World Wars) and how cluster bombs are evil and that they should be banned. Everyone agrees that this is terrible and all those countries whose militaries either A) Don't want to be hit by weapons they cannot field or B) Don't use their militaries because they're too liberal jump on the bandwagon. The US tells everyone to piss off because cluster bombs work very well and they know full well what's really going on.
Also - the whole Landmine thing. Does anyone ACTUALLY think that a treaty would have prevented the Khmer Rouge from filling big chunks of Southeast Asia with mines? I think not. We're talking about people who think piles of skulls are a good cultural statement. Is it going to prevent terrorists or insurgents from using IEDs (which are effectively landmines)? Umm, hasn't yet. How about the tinpot dictatorships? No, Saddam used them extensively in his defensive belts in the desert. So who then, is this legislation actually aimed at? The US. Why? Because, among other things, North Korea would really like to see the DMZ not filled with modern US maintained mines - it would make it easier for them to cause trouble.
The main reason the US didn't sign that treaty was because of the DMZ by the way. Other than that they were more or less fine with it save as it impacted cluster bombs and airfield denial mines - but of course the US is almost the only country which actually uses those technologies.
Or let's go back a bit further to the UN treaty on the Clark Orbit. The Clark (after late SF writer Arthur C. Clark) orbit is also commonly known as the geosynchronous orbit - the best orbit to put something up and have it stay over the spot it was put. This is highly useful for things like telecommunications satellites.
Now at the time the treaty was written there was huge pressure for the treaty to be 'fair' and every nation to have a section of the Clark orbit allocated to it. So that's what was done. Never mind that the vast majority of those countries didn't have space programs and couldn't USE their spots, they wanted them anyway. The real reason why was that a lot of South American dictators didn't want the US to put up spy satellites or telecommunications satellites that they didn't and couldn't control over their countries. So by demanding their 'fair share' they were just playing denial tactics.
There are other examples, plenty of them, but I think that should do.
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Let's ban all Christian Marriage.
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Nice satire, but it raises another point for me.
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That would only be appropriate if Christians wanted to ban secular unions of normal people.
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Hey, look! There was a point over there!
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Who else should make those decisions?
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*Shakes Head*
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I highly doubt Cannoli is "scared" of homosexuals *NM*
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Perhaps not in the physical sense.
08/08/2010 06:35:53 AM
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Re: Perhaps not in the physical sense.
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Re: *Shakes Head*
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11/08/2010 02:28:43 PM
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This must be the "thought out reaction" I've heard so much about.
08/08/2010 10:45:59 PM
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11/08/2010 03:38:05 PM
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Is that assumption valid?
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Re: Is that assumption valid?
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Re: Is that assumption valid?
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Spoken like someone who does not have to insure an employee's six wives.
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
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Re: A lot of the arguments would seem to justify polygamy and incest too
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It should be noted again...
09/08/2010 08:59:32 PM
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and how is it not a right?
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My definition of rights...
09/08/2010 10:47:16 PM
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mmm, but the UN has legally stated marriage as a right.
10/08/2010 02:52:03 AM
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Article 16 probably not a great example
10/08/2010 03:44:04 AM
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You could just as easily move the emphasis...
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If we need a more specific resolution...
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Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
10/08/2010 03:04:39 PM
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That's really a ridiculous stance, you do realize.
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Re: No, the choice of 'Men and Women' is too specific in the context
10/08/2010 03:46:56 PM
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It doesn't say a man can only marry a woman or vice versa, though.
10/08/2010 04:24:17 AM
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I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point.
10/08/2010 06:09:32 PM
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Re: I know, and that's been brought up before. But that's not my point.
10/08/2010 06:33:56 PM
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It's mentioned as a right in some SC decision quoted in that Walker opinion. *NM*
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To clarify for you
10/08/2010 05:36:14 AM
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The UNSC is actually the UN's enforcement body...
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I'm not sure that I would call the Security Council the 'Enforcement Body'
10/08/2010 08:43:02 PM
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The fact that it is capable of authorizing the use of military force makes it an enforcement body
10/08/2010 10:33:59 PM
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Disagree - but it's most a matter of definition there
11/08/2010 04:31:53 PM
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What the UN thinks is *completely* worthless....
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Why don't YOU back up your assertion that the right to marry exists? *NM*
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Note it all you want...
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The best one yet.
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
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Re: Yeah, I'd agree that's pretty insane
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Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel
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Re: Hmm - been a long time since I read my copy of the graphic novel
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