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it may not be a "right"... LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 05/08/2010 04:22:44 PM
but, as Tom has pointed out, it's a socioeconomic and legal benefit being denied one group but given to another for no sound legal reasoning. Remember, you don't have a right to sit where you want on a bus, either, but that doesn't mean it's okay to tell someone where to sit based on factors such as race and gender. From a legal standpoint, how is sexual preference any different?
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Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional ironclad - 04/08/2010 10:40:50 PM 1363 Views
Thank God. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/08/2010 10:52:30 PM 381 Views
Amen. *NM* Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:09:24 AM 437 Views
Good news, but as the article says, it'll go all the way to the SC. Legolas - 04/08/2010 10:55:58 PM 714 Views
So then is that how we do it? Jeordam - 04/08/2010 11:01:19 PM 839 Views
Of course. ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:04:59 PM 745 Views
His point was ßelals Girl - 04/08/2010 11:40:14 PM 894 Views
Yeah but: What Ghavrel said below *NM* ironclad - 05/08/2010 08:01:02 AM 433 Views
And again... ßelals Girl - 05/08/2010 06:08:56 PM 593 Views
To quote my property professor: "Can I make you think like a Californian?" Tom - 05/08/2010 06:39:48 PM 664 Views
well that is sort of the idea of how democracy works snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:06:57 PM 729 Views
I'm not the one who came up with the referendum system, you do realize. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:11:13 PM 735 Views
The referendum system, in my opinion, has been a failure, especially in CA. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:46:21 PM 819 Views
democracy has been a failure in CA. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:42:21 PM 605 Views
No. It just shows the problems of a crazy electorate. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:29:21 PM 721 Views
I think you made my point *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:35:00 PM 400 Views
About Californians being crazy, yes. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 04:53:32 PM 374 Views
we vote fro way to much crap in general random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:41:19 PM 665 Views
Yeah, I agree. Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 658 Views
my one recent dealing with our criminal justice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:25:30 PM 697 Views
Yes, you still have to abide by the Constitution, even if a lot of people don't like it. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/08/2010 12:07:44 AM 385 Views
Amend the Constitution to alter the Fourteenth Amendment if you don't like it. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 01:09:51 AM 445 Views
just a devil's advocate position here, but.... moondog - 05/08/2010 04:23:43 AM 743 Views
Marriage is either an economic status regulated by law or a religious institution. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 AM 777 Views
There are certain things that should not be decided by a vote... Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:02:45 AM 730 Views
I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. nossy - 05/08/2010 02:17:24 AM 786 Views
Re: I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. snoopcester - 05/08/2010 10:46:54 AM 778 Views
I understand it. nossy - 05/08/2010 03:06:40 PM 761 Views
I know you don't support proposition 8 snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:29:34 PM 748 Views
nossy - 05/08/2010 03:34:01 PM 786 Views
But that is just simplistic and silly to complain about when it is a long standing possibility snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:46:59 PM 668 Views
Oh, ees it? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:07:39 PM 806 Views
Well they knew the rules before they started the whole thing snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:12:33 PM 645 Views
Why would you complain if you won? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:15:20 PM 736 Views
You could recognise that you won by the system working in a way you don't like? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:23:58 PM 617 Views
I'm sure that happens, in general. nossy - 06/08/2010 02:43:18 PM 603 Views
It seems to happen a lot nowadays snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:06:33 PM 637 Views
It's so weird that you feel differently - there is only room for one opinion here! nossy - 06/08/2010 03:41:52 PM 563 Views
There is only room for one opinion and mine is the right one snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:49:16 PM 685 Views
instead it should be decided by judges who answer to no one? *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:12:59 AM 389 Views
The same judges who upheld our private right to bear arms. Tom - 05/08/2010 02:09:07 PM 765 Views
not when judges stop using the Constitution random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:30:51 PM 740 Views
Sexual preference is not the right being protected. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:22:04 PM 809 Views
I know that the 14th amendment is routinely used in ways it was never intended. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:25:07 PM 720 Views
I realize that, but it is ultimately a good thing. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:31:19 PM 792 Views
I am really on the fence a bit on the whole issue random thoughts - 05/08/2010 06:00:59 PM 734 Views
I generally agree with you. Tom - 05/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 751 Views
let's take away the citizenship of all black people if that's the way you think moondog - 05/08/2010 09:06:23 PM 647 Views
Come now lets not be stupid random thoughts - 06/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 614 Views
sorry but your statement was completely ignorant. moondog - 06/08/2010 07:27:09 PM 733 Views
I will talk as soon as you stop spouting stupid rhetoric and say something relevant random thoughts - 06/08/2010 07:54:09 PM 697 Views
bullshit. you will personally attack me no matter what i say. moondog - 07/08/2010 02:04:04 PM 745 Views
Let's just be clear about which amendment is which. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:50:57 PM 613 Views
but that still ignores intent and expands the law in ways not intnented when it created random thoughts - 06/08/2010 04:53:43 AM 673 Views
Yes, no, no, and no. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 05:29:09 AM 707 Views
there are serious flaws in your thinking here random thoughts - 06/08/2010 06:18:13 PM 788 Views
Your assertions continue to lack support. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 07:23:17 PM 814 Views
not all you just refuse to see things you disagree with random thoughts - 06/08/2010 08:36:32 PM 783 Views
...said the pot to the kettle Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 09:17:28 PM 851 Views
yes but a shiny stainless steel pot random thoughts - 09/08/2010 11:21:33 PM 897 Views
You continue to be wrong about history and the role of courts. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 01:05:39 AM 1243 Views
If he's wrong, a lot of law scholars and Supreme Court Justices are wrong. Legolas - 10/08/2010 01:44:05 AM 700 Views
Brown vs. Board of Education, 'nuff said. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:32:37 AM 385 Views
Actually, that only proves his point, if I understand correctly. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:11:19 AM 413 Views
part oif the problem appears to be you completely missing the point random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:23:19 PM 913 Views
let my simplify my argument random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:42:47 PM 617 Views
There's a simple way to determine the degree to which that opinion is objective or subjective... Legolas - 06/08/2010 09:32:21 PM 647 Views
Since when is marriage a right? *NM* Jeordam - 05/08/2010 04:11:16 PM 374 Views
it may not be a "right"... LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:22:44 PM 649 Views
This is where the debate comes into play.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:04:08 PM 664 Views
How much would it change the debate if it was nurture, really? Legolas - 05/08/2010 09:48:22 PM 681 Views
except this is not merely a matter of changing society LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:18:48 PM 727 Views
1948. *NM* jh - 05/08/2010 04:50:30 PM 370 Views
It's a benefit that is being extended selectively to one set of the populace. Tom - 05/08/2010 04:52:52 PM 732 Views
Hey, I'm single.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:05:41 PM 644 Views
That's a specious argument and you know it. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 PM 717 Views
A homosexual has every opportunity as well..... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:23:56 PM 663 Views
Oh quit the bullshit already. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:29:15 PM 864 Views
Slow your role... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 09:08:54 PM 771 Views
Your religious beliefs have 100% to do with your position. Tom - 05/08/2010 09:43:23 PM 814 Views
Sorry, but what a nonsense. ironclad - 05/08/2010 09:27:17 PM 632 Views
hey that's it, jens! you solved the WHOLE PROBLEM!!! LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:24:29 PM 766 Views
ON TO WORLD HUNGER! ironclad - 06/08/2010 07:59:51 AM 659 Views
LET THEM HAVE CAEK. *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 02:29:56 PM 355 Views
Are you sure it's wise to feed people on a lie? *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 02:34:26 PM 446 Views
People are fed lies all the time LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:30:37 PM 641 Views
Quite so, but I don't think it's commonly a mainstay of their diet *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 09:50:33 PM 385 Views
It is the only thing which is abundant enough for everyone to have some... *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 10:01:44 PM 626 Views
I agree with you Sareitha Sedai - 05/08/2010 05:06:40 PM 698 Views
That's not valid. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:26:50 PM 709 Views
I invite you to read the judge's conclusions, linked again inside. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:43:44 PM 750 Views
Since 1948 Napoleon62 - 06/08/2010 04:01:02 AM 854 Views
gah. can. only. see. typo. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 03:43:21 PM 345 Views
I don't see any typo... *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:07:18 PM 402 Views
Open the link. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 04:47:04 PM 491 Views
Oh, right. Yeah, that does kinda detract from things. *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:48:47 PM 380 Views
I agree random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:22:17 AM 722 Views
And Civil Rights lost the Democrats the South. Dannymac - 05/08/2010 03:44:56 PM 734 Views
but it was done by congress passing laws and the president signing those laws random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:20:19 PM 683 Views
uhm, what? LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:24:43 PM 672 Views
those were mostly rulings up holding laws not stiking them down random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:05:15 PM 741 Views
I was under the impression that the supreme court had a role in it snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:31:51 PM 660 Views
but the court was not over turning the laws passed by congress random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:11:06 PM 706 Views
No, like in this case, isn't it? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 05:24:19 PM 652 Views
I would say that is another case of judicial activism and shows the danger of the practice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:43:02 PM 619 Views
Which one is? I imagine from different view points both are. snoopcester - 06/08/2010 10:34:11 AM 620 Views
The law wasn't constitutional. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:17:04 AM 657 Views
well it will take a higher court to decide that random thoughts - 09/08/2010 10:46:15 PM 687 Views
Hard to believe it's the same governor who said "Gay marriage should be between a man and a woman." *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/08/2010 11:05:45 PM 458 Views
Or "Iff it bleeds we can kill itt!" *NM* ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:14:45 PM 433 Views
Another step in the right direction. *NM* snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:08:15 PM 453 Views
Link to the full court order inside: Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:43:29 PM 845 Views
The judge quoting Scalia in favour of gay marriage is fairly amusing. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:50:47 PM 723 Views
What page was that on? Tim - 05/08/2010 11:25:49 AM 639 Views
Nah, it was way above page 109, in the findings of fact somewhere. Legolas - 05/08/2010 12:37:48 PM 743 Views
Oh, that is brilliant. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:12:21 PM 647 Views
Pretty much. Legolas - 05/08/2010 01:44:22 PM 774 Views
I've always wondered what basis there is for banning necrophilia if "it's disgusting" is invalid. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:51:19 PM 722 Views
because you cannot give consent when you are dead? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:04:46 PM 710 Views
what if you give consent while you are still alive? random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:21:59 PM 811 Views
Is it then illegal? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:23:46 PM 729 Views
given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:33:11 PM 782 Views
Re: given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:34:57 PM 825 Views
I would think it would be illegal even then random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:34:31 PM 743 Views
Wikipedia to the rescue! Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:20:15 PM 870 Views
you would hope the other states would cover it under improper treatmentof human remains random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:38:59 PM 689 Views
A dead body is just an object, not a person with rights. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:27:08 PM 732 Views
Yes, but Camilla - 06/08/2010 08:42:05 AM 684 Views
Absolutely not. Tom - 06/08/2010 03:21:14 PM 737 Views
not to mention necrophilia has a large potential to be hazardous to health. LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:42:43 PM 785 Views
That was a very well written judgement. Tim - 05/08/2010 11:24:38 AM 738 Views
Tom - 05/08/2010 12:10:02 AM 733 Views
Totally agree. Rebekah - 05/08/2010 01:01:42 PM 776 Views
+1 *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 03:42:08 PM 398 Views
Irrelevant decision.....this was heading to SCOTUS from day 1 *NM* trzaska2000 - 05/08/2010 12:53:26 AM 413 Views
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