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Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional ironclad - 04/08/2010 10:40:50 PM 1354 Views
Thank God. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/08/2010 10:52:30 PM 379 Views
Amen. *NM* Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:09:24 AM 433 Views
Good news, but as the article says, it'll go all the way to the SC. Legolas - 04/08/2010 10:55:58 PM 709 Views
So then is that how we do it? Jeordam - 04/08/2010 11:01:19 PM 829 Views
Of course. ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:04:59 PM 740 Views
His point was ßelals Girl - 04/08/2010 11:40:14 PM 886 Views
Yeah but: What Ghavrel said below *NM* ironclad - 05/08/2010 08:01:02 AM 430 Views
And again... ßelals Girl - 05/08/2010 06:08:56 PM 585 Views
To quote my property professor: "Can I make you think like a Californian?" Tom - 05/08/2010 06:39:48 PM 658 Views
well that is sort of the idea of how democracy works snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:06:57 PM 719 Views
I'm not the one who came up with the referendum system, you do realize. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:11:13 PM 731 Views
The referendum system, in my opinion, has been a failure, especially in CA. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:46:21 PM 810 Views
democracy has been a failure in CA. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:42:21 PM 600 Views
No. It just shows the problems of a crazy electorate. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:29:21 PM 713 Views
I think you made my point *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:35:00 PM 398 Views
About Californians being crazy, yes. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 04:53:32 PM 372 Views
we vote fro way to much crap in general random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:41:19 PM 660 Views
Yeah, I agree. Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 651 Views
my one recent dealing with our criminal justice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:25:30 PM 691 Views
Yes, you still have to abide by the Constitution, even if a lot of people don't like it. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/08/2010 12:07:44 AM 380 Views
Amend the Constitution to alter the Fourteenth Amendment if you don't like it. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 01:09:51 AM 442 Views
just a devil's advocate position here, but.... moondog - 05/08/2010 04:23:43 AM 738 Views
Marriage is either an economic status regulated by law or a religious institution. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 AM 770 Views
There are certain things that should not be decided by a vote... Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:02:45 AM 724 Views
I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. nossy - 05/08/2010 02:17:24 AM 779 Views
Re: I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. snoopcester - 05/08/2010 10:46:54 AM 770 Views
I understand it. nossy - 05/08/2010 03:06:40 PM 755 Views
I know you don't support proposition 8 snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:29:34 PM 742 Views
nossy - 05/08/2010 03:34:01 PM 782 Views
But that is just simplistic and silly to complain about when it is a long standing possibility snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:46:59 PM 661 Views
Oh, ees it? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:07:39 PM 802 Views
Well they knew the rules before they started the whole thing snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:12:33 PM 640 Views
Why would you complain if you won? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:15:20 PM 727 Views
You could recognise that you won by the system working in a way you don't like? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:23:58 PM 612 Views
I'm sure that happens, in general. nossy - 06/08/2010 02:43:18 PM 599 Views
It seems to happen a lot nowadays snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:06:33 PM 632 Views
It's so weird that you feel differently - there is only room for one opinion here! nossy - 06/08/2010 03:41:52 PM 557 Views
There is only room for one opinion and mine is the right one snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:49:16 PM 679 Views
instead it should be decided by judges who answer to no one? *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:12:59 AM 385 Views
The same judges who upheld our private right to bear arms. Tom - 05/08/2010 02:09:07 PM 758 Views
not when judges stop using the Constitution random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:30:51 PM 734 Views
Sexual preference is not the right being protected. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:22:04 PM 803 Views
I know that the 14th amendment is routinely used in ways it was never intended. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:25:07 PM 711 Views
I realize that, but it is ultimately a good thing. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:31:19 PM 785 Views
I am really on the fence a bit on the whole issue random thoughts - 05/08/2010 06:00:59 PM 727 Views
I generally agree with you. Tom - 05/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 745 Views
let's take away the citizenship of all black people if that's the way you think moondog - 05/08/2010 09:06:23 PM 641 Views
Come now lets not be stupid random thoughts - 06/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 610 Views
sorry but your statement was completely ignorant. moondog - 06/08/2010 07:27:09 PM 726 Views
I will talk as soon as you stop spouting stupid rhetoric and say something relevant random thoughts - 06/08/2010 07:54:09 PM 691 Views
bullshit. you will personally attack me no matter what i say. moondog - 07/08/2010 02:04:04 PM 738 Views
Let's just be clear about which amendment is which. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:50:57 PM 608 Views
but that still ignores intent and expands the law in ways not intnented when it created random thoughts - 06/08/2010 04:53:43 AM 668 Views
Yes, no, no, and no. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 05:29:09 AM 701 Views
there are serious flaws in your thinking here random thoughts - 06/08/2010 06:18:13 PM 781 Views
Your assertions continue to lack support. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 07:23:17 PM 809 Views
not all you just refuse to see things you disagree with random thoughts - 06/08/2010 08:36:32 PM 775 Views
...said the pot to the kettle Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 09:17:28 PM 847 Views
yes but a shiny stainless steel pot random thoughts - 09/08/2010 11:21:33 PM 893 Views
You continue to be wrong about history and the role of courts. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 01:05:39 AM 1236 Views
If he's wrong, a lot of law scholars and Supreme Court Justices are wrong. Legolas - 10/08/2010 01:44:05 AM 696 Views
Brown vs. Board of Education, 'nuff said. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:32:37 AM 381 Views
Actually, that only proves his point, if I understand correctly. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:11:19 AM 408 Views
part oif the problem appears to be you completely missing the point random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:23:19 PM 907 Views
let my simplify my argument random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:42:47 PM 613 Views
There's a simple way to determine the degree to which that opinion is objective or subjective... Legolas - 06/08/2010 09:32:21 PM 643 Views
Since when is marriage a right? *NM* Jeordam - 05/08/2010 04:11:16 PM 371 Views
it may not be a "right"... LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:22:44 PM 644 Views
This is where the debate comes into play.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:04:08 PM 658 Views
How much would it change the debate if it was nurture, really? Legolas - 05/08/2010 09:48:22 PM 677 Views
except this is not merely a matter of changing society LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:18:48 PM 721 Views
1948. *NM* jh - 05/08/2010 04:50:30 PM 368 Views
It's a benefit that is being extended selectively to one set of the populace. Tom - 05/08/2010 04:52:52 PM 722 Views
Hey, I'm single.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:05:41 PM 638 Views
That's a specious argument and you know it. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 PM 711 Views
A homosexual has every opportunity as well..... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:23:56 PM 659 Views
Oh quit the bullshit already. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:29:15 PM 860 Views
Slow your role... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 09:08:54 PM 762 Views
Your religious beliefs have 100% to do with your position. Tom - 05/08/2010 09:43:23 PM 807 Views
Sorry, but what a nonsense. ironclad - 05/08/2010 09:27:17 PM 627 Views
hey that's it, jens! you solved the WHOLE PROBLEM!!! LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:24:29 PM 759 Views
ON TO WORLD HUNGER! ironclad - 06/08/2010 07:59:51 AM 638 Views
LET THEM HAVE CAEK. *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 02:29:56 PM 353 Views
Are you sure it's wise to feed people on a lie? *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 02:34:26 PM 443 Views
People are fed lies all the time LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:30:37 PM 635 Views
Quite so, but I don't think it's commonly a mainstay of their diet *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 09:50:33 PM 382 Views
It is the only thing which is abundant enough for everyone to have some... *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 10:01:44 PM 621 Views
I agree with you Sareitha Sedai - 05/08/2010 05:06:40 PM 693 Views
That's not valid. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:26:50 PM 705 Views
I invite you to read the judge's conclusions, linked again inside. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:43:44 PM 744 Views
Since 1948 Napoleon62 - 06/08/2010 04:01:02 AM 844 Views
gah. can. only. see. typo. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 03:43:21 PM 342 Views
I don't see any typo... *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:07:18 PM 398 Views
Open the link. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 04:47:04 PM 488 Views
Oh, right. Yeah, that does kinda detract from things. *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:48:47 PM 377 Views
I agree random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:22:17 AM 718 Views
And Civil Rights lost the Democrats the South. Dannymac - 05/08/2010 03:44:56 PM 728 Views
but it was done by congress passing laws and the president signing those laws random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:20:19 PM 677 Views
uhm, what? LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:24:43 PM 667 Views
those were mostly rulings up holding laws not stiking them down random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:05:15 PM 734 Views
I was under the impression that the supreme court had a role in it snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:31:51 PM 656 Views
but the court was not over turning the laws passed by congress random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:11:06 PM 700 Views
No, like in this case, isn't it? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 05:24:19 PM 648 Views
I would say that is another case of judicial activism and shows the danger of the practice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:43:02 PM 612 Views
Which one is? I imagine from different view points both are. snoopcester - 06/08/2010 10:34:11 AM 616 Views
The law wasn't constitutional. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:17:04 AM 653 Views
well it will take a higher court to decide that random thoughts - 09/08/2010 10:46:15 PM 681 Views
Hard to believe it's the same governor who said "Gay marriage should be between a man and a woman." *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/08/2010 11:05:45 PM 456 Views
Or "Iff it bleeds we can kill itt!" *NM* ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:14:45 PM 431 Views
Another step in the right direction. *NM* snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:08:15 PM 450 Views
Link to the full court order inside: Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:43:29 PM 836 Views
The judge quoting Scalia in favour of gay marriage is fairly amusing. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:50:47 PM 715 Views
What page was that on? Tim - 05/08/2010 11:25:49 AM 633 Views
Nah, it was way above page 109, in the findings of fact somewhere. Legolas - 05/08/2010 12:37:48 PM 736 Views
Oh, that is brilliant. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:12:21 PM 641 Views
Pretty much. Legolas - 05/08/2010 01:44:22 PM 770 Views
I've always wondered what basis there is for banning necrophilia if "it's disgusting" is invalid. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:51:19 PM 714 Views
because you cannot give consent when you are dead? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:04:46 PM 704 Views
what if you give consent while you are still alive? random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:21:59 PM 805 Views
Is it then illegal? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:23:46 PM 723 Views
given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:33:11 PM 777 Views
Re: given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:34:57 PM 817 Views
I would think it would be illegal even then random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:34:31 PM 739 Views
Wikipedia to the rescue! Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:20:15 PM 863 Views
you would hope the other states would cover it under improper treatmentof human remains random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:38:59 PM 682 Views
A dead body is just an object, not a person with rights. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:27:08 PM 725 Views
Yes, but Camilla - 06/08/2010 08:42:05 AM 680 Views
Absolutely not. Tom - 06/08/2010 03:21:14 PM 731 Views
not to mention necrophilia has a large potential to be hazardous to health. LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:42:43 PM 776 Views
That was a very well written judgement. Tim - 05/08/2010 11:24:38 AM 731 Views
Tom - 05/08/2010 12:10:02 AM 728 Views
Totally agree. Rebekah - 05/08/2010 01:01:42 PM 770 Views
+1 *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 03:42:08 PM 396 Views
Irrelevant decision.....this was heading to SCOTUS from day 1 *NM* trzaska2000 - 05/08/2010 12:53:26 AM 411 Views
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