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Because... Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 09/09/2009 06:25:41 PM
Lobbying against the murder of Christians in the Muslim world.

CAIR is a US organization created to protect the interests of Muslims in the US. What does it have to do with lobbying against the murder of Christians in the Muslim world? That's the job of organizations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the like, or the organizations who specifically aim at protecting the Christians in the Muslim world (can't say I know any; there aren't very many Christians to protect). CAIR and other American Muslim organizations are not responsible for what the governments of Muslim countries do, and even less for what non-government actors in those countries do.


If CAIR expects me to give a shit about what happens to Muslims in the United States, then it should give a shit about Christians in the Middle-East. Or at least make a show of it.

In any case, "lobbying" isn't exactly going to do much good. In the Pakistani case you described, the government obviously failed in its duty, but we all know the Pakistani government doesn't control all of Pakistan, and merely lobbying them isn't going to change that. I've never heard of the Indonesian case you mentioned, but feel free to provide me with a link and I'll check it out.


While you're right that Pakistan doesn't control some of the country, to simply pass it off as a "mistake" or "their bad" is absurd. Maybe if I saw CAIR lobbying Pakistan to protect its religious minorities I'd not think that the whole Islamic religion is satanic and anti-Christian.

Here's the link to the murder of Christians in Indonesia.
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Regardless... Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:34:48 AM 765 Views
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really have you actaully read the Qur'an random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 820 Views
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+2 *NM* Dannymac - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 360 Views
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As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM* Joker - 07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM 415 Views
Because I can. snoopcester - 07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM 850 Views
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don't make me get all vulcan on you. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:13:18 AM 365 Views
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Because in America Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:35:24 AM 917 Views
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Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* everynametaken - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 271 Views
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Go, Tash, go! Craig - 08/09/2009 05:52:01 AM 799 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM 804 Views
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That is a concept many people can't seem to grasp *NM* random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:14:50 PM 353 Views
The elf has a point. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:18:26 PM 411 Views
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Really? Craig - 08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM 746 Views
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Well it's not about whether it scans right to you. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:06:06 PM 694 Views
Oh, I was just clarifying. Craig - 09/09/2009 06:05:49 PM 748 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM 873 Views
Failed edit. *NM* Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 388 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 387 Views
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Morse isn't a bad example Isaac - 10/09/2009 11:23:32 AM 798 Views
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