...plays out in societies which are at different stages of development, both politically and socially.
Is it down to different stages of development or different directions along it? One route is racial purity and the other religious?
I didn't really put too much thought into it. What it probably breaks down to is how the in-group is defined, how sharp its boundaries are, whether those boundaries are permeable, and if so, how so and to what degree. So I guess it could be one or the other or maybe a bit of both sometimes. You just need to look into how the definition changes, or not, over time. Go ahead and poke holes in that or add to it.
Iran, run by a medieval institution which I'd characterize as belonging to an earlier stage of development, might make for an interesting study here. That a powerful ethnic minority within an Arab empire became a bunch of schismatics is probably not a coincidence.
As to Israel, it's little better than an apartheid state. Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, pure and simple. And yes, Iran is a theocracy, although I disagree about it being run by crazies. Calling someone crazy is a cheap and or lazy tactic used in a bid to obviate the need to give any sort reasoned response to the arguments made by others.
I agree with the first and last descriptions, not sure you can say Saudi Arabia is that simple - it is on paper an absolute monarchy but in effect the royal family abdicate internal policy almost completely to the religious class so in practical terms for someone living there it is really a theocracy.
You might be right. One of the next books in my queue deals with Saudi Arabia somewhat. I'm looking forward to it. Do you know how equally all classes within the country are expected to adhere to the rules set by the Saudi ulama?
On your last two sentences, did you read the Tom Freidman column about the CNN journalist sacked in Lebanon? It was interesting about the problem with the media now not being willing to supply that sort of depth to let people actually undertand there is more to it than just "they're all evil, crazy and they hate us!"
No, but I just remedied that. I think there's an important distinction to be made here. His point is that we the readers are being cheated by not having access to expertise, mine is about people trying to sidestep an argument, that is, to refudiate the expertise someone else might bring to bear in a discussion.
I agree with what Friedman wrote. One of things I've noticed about so many of the reports covering the Middle East is that they are penned by Jews or Christian Zionists ( I often check into the authors' backgrounds because I'm cynical and suspicious ). Then we have Op-ed pieces... ahahahaha! The Israel lobbies, AIPAC and Likudniks do a very good job of creating and promoting agenda-driven media which distorts or ignores narratives that are inconvenient for Israel.
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Palestinian jailed for rape after claiming to be Jewish
22/07/2010 03:24:15 PM
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that is scary
22/07/2010 04:30:30 PM
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Re: that is scary
22/07/2010 05:47:38 PM
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If a girl has a stuffed bra is that rape?
22/07/2010 06:12:01 PM
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Pretty messed up right there.
22/07/2010 04:45:37 PM
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Unles it was a line
22/07/2010 04:59:45 PM
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Deception is not coercion. *NM*
22/07/2010 05:40:20 PM
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Erm... did you post in the right place? *NM*
22/07/2010 05:55:54 PM
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If it was, it was surprisingly effective! Let's hope it wasn't something serious.
22/07/2010 06:18:44 PM
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Hi, I'm Daniel.
22/07/2010 06:43:52 PM
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Just to play devil's advocate here, rape by deception or rape by fraud are possible
22/07/2010 06:53:38 PM
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So...
22/07/2010 07:19:57 PM
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I am not sure I agree with that
22/07/2010 07:31:30 PM
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Lies, deception, and fraud, from a legal POV, aren't the same
22/07/2010 09:10:16 PM
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when you assume you make a victim out of you and a rapist out of me
22/07/2010 08:28:44 PM
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oh good lord this is ridiculous.
22/07/2010 10:28:31 PM
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So my friend who introduces himself as a Californian firefighting smoke jumper is a rapist? *NM*
22/07/2010 11:16:23 PM
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"Passing" and miscegenation used to be illegal in many states. Looks like Israel is still...
23/07/2010 03:22:52 AM
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Re: "Passing" and miscegenation used to be illegal in many states. Looks like Israel is still...
23/07/2010 04:38:27 AM
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Perhaps you were talking about Israel. I was talking about racism/ethnocentrism and how it...
23/07/2010 05:34:23 AM
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A bit more detail on this
23/07/2010 04:26:52 PM
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