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Good point *NM* ursidae Send a noteboard - 12/07/2010 09:38:25 PM
Ben's asking for money to support the cost of processor power and bandwidth. He said as much in his post. As Jing pointed out, however, those things can often be had quite cheaply, and people are being asked to pay 15-22 USD apiece for them. Four or five such donations could support the site for a year, if Jing's assumptions are correct (they seem reasonable to me, though Alexa rankings aren't always very accurate), and this isn't even factoring in the donations (probably small, but worth noting) that Ben has received.

Of course, as you point out, Ben's time and programming effort are valuable too, and it's certainly reasonable for him to want to capitalize on that. However, that's not what's being asked for; there's been no mention of that. There's a difference between asking for help keeping the server running, and asking for people to pay your personal salary. When someone says "I need ten times as much money as this service actually costs," it's very reasonable to say "er, why's that again?"

Also, please don't get me wrong, I DO think Ben's time and effort is valuable, and worth paying for. Don't twist my words to make me seem anti-support. All I'm saying is that when one is being asked to hand over a fairly decent chunk of cash (for something that is typically free on the internet), it's not unconscionable to ask what one is paying for. Price breakdowns are requested all the time in the retail world, and I don't see anything wrong with requesting an itemized receipt.
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EDIT: Remember folks, today's the last day of the free premium accounts! - 06/07/2010 08:52:02 PM 3271 Views
Awesome job, mate! - 06/07/2010 09:03:20 PM 1355 Views
I see that you've also fixed the spelling of "received" in the noteboards. - 06/07/2010 09:08:00 PM 1367 Views
Erm... can you recheck your settings? - 06/07/2010 09:20:50 PM 1309 Views
They've not changed. *NM* - 06/07/2010 09:22:07 PM 724 Views
Default quote setting is excellent - 06/07/2010 10:02:35 PM 1381 Views
Nice! - 06/07/2010 11:51:09 PM 1159 Views
Yay! - 07/07/2010 04:32:39 PM 1193 Views
Time zone - 07/07/2010 05:23:43 PM 1161 Views
Yeah, Us/Eastern is ahead an hour too. - 07/07/2010 05:44:40 PM 1357 Views
Cool, I must locate some money to get one. *NM* - 08/07/2010 03:48:59 PM 771 Views
I all of a sudden miss Wse - 10/07/2010 01:28:00 AM 1236 Views
In a way, yes *NM* - 16/07/2010 06:43:14 AM 643 Views
Just how much bandwidth is Read and Find out using per month? - 11/07/2010 05:50:02 AM 1299 Views
So, you think Ben should pay it out of his own pocket then? - 12/07/2010 09:33:27 AM 1456 Views
Oh Jing. - 12/07/2010 08:05:31 PM 1351 Views
It's a very reasonable question. - 12/07/2010 09:29:26 PM 1448 Views
Good point *NM* - 12/07/2010 09:38:25 PM 654 Views
You want to charge people for functionality every other forum on the web gives them for free? - 14/07/2010 08:47:32 PM 1509 Views
It is exactly the same stuff Mike asked money for - 14/07/2010 09:00:55 PM 1168 Views
Why can't people even ask the question(s)? - 14/07/2010 09:22:11 PM 1314 Views
Re: Why can't people even ask the question(s)? - 14/07/2010 09:36:54 PM 1378 Views
Well - 14/07/2010 09:57:09 PM 1502 Views
Exactly. - 15/07/2010 12:09:14 AM 1266 Views
The messageboards are perfectly functional without a premium account. - 14/07/2010 09:17:43 PM 1158 Views
I see it as a way of giving people something back for donations. - 14/07/2010 10:09:08 PM 1432 Views
He does have a point when it comes to hyperlinks. - 15/07/2010 06:52:41 PM 1143 Views
There are other reasons why I don't want links in posts - 15/07/2010 08:18:53 PM 1181 Views
Why is that? - 15/07/2010 09:14:52 PM 1349 Views
Viable alternatives - 15/07/2010 01:16:39 AM 1370 Views
I have to agree with you here - 16/07/2010 06:55:43 AM 1155 Views
Advertising makes a site look like shit. - 16/07/2010 08:28:00 AM 1061 Views
Only if you choose to let it. - 16/07/2010 12:17:47 PM 1386 Views
This is just the BBforum argument rehashed. - 16/07/2010 06:07:20 PM 1281 Views
But those are the very things being introduced by the premium accounts. - 17/07/2010 12:44:05 PM 1380 Views
Re: One Thing - 17/07/2010 04:24:51 PM 1268 Views
Agreed. - 17/07/2010 04:34:09 PM 1225 Views
RAFO is a lot of great things, but great-looking it is not. - 16/07/2010 02:28:50 PM 1282 Views
As I've said above... - 16/07/2010 01:49:37 PM 1345 Views
Just to be clear: - 16/07/2010 03:18:22 PM 1279 Views
Re: As I've said above... - 16/07/2010 05:58:39 PM 1304 Views
Premium Plus account does. - 16/07/2010 06:05:07 PM 1347 Views
Re: Premium Plus account does. - 16/07/2010 06:13:17 PM 1143 Views
Re: Premium Plus account does. - 16/07/2010 09:03:27 PM 1157 Views
And - 17/07/2010 04:37:12 PM 1242 Views
To be honest, that misses part of the appeal for some of us - 17/07/2010 12:17:15 AM 1233 Views
It's a start - 16/07/2010 06:37:44 PM 1253 Views
Yeah, that's the other thing. - 16/07/2010 08:59:51 PM 1252 Views
Go Ben! \o/ *NM* - 18/07/2010 02:52:30 AM 553 Views
That's the root of the problem. - 21/07/2010 01:10:56 PM 1432 Views
Question - 18/07/2010 12:02:02 PM 1434 Views
I think it's reasonable - 17/07/2010 12:33:56 AM 1463 Views
I like it, and thanks =) - 23/07/2010 12:43:11 PM 1166 Views
I don't really have a problem paying - I just dislike Paypal. - 03/08/2010 05:53:14 PM 1552 Views

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