This is not a difficult concept; why are you having so much trouble grasping it?
Look, I'll put it in a list.
1. Tim lives in a place with virtually no public transit.
2. Tim cannot afford a car.
3. The options of transportation are driving, public transit, walking, and bicycling.
4. Walking is unfeasible.
5. Therefore, Tim has to use a bicycle for transport.
I fully intend before the end of this thread to get it into your head that not every place in the world functions like an urbanized American area.
By the way, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "missing the point." Your point may well just be stupid.
Look, I'll put it in a list.
1. Tim lives in a place with virtually no public transit.
2. Tim cannot afford a car.
3. The options of transportation are driving, public transit, walking, and bicycling.
4. Walking is unfeasible.
5. Therefore, Tim has to use a bicycle for transport.
I fully intend before the end of this thread to get it into your head that not every place in the world functions like an urbanized American area.
By the way, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "missing the point." Your point may well just be stupid.
...must have been the part where I stated that because Tim told off Aemon's point on account of context, that we should limit this discussion to the context of exercise, as it was for Deadsy.
Since you obviously haven't kept up with the entirety of the thread, you don't know that Deadsy posted the story about cycling at night, I responded saying "Hey you know that's really not smart, day or night, cycling in areas without bike specific infrastructure is foolish." What followed was a series of angry cyclists crying foul over that statement. Therefore, the context of the discussion is a) urban b) exercise. Get it? I've entertained this whole transportation discussion because I don't see it as all that important to the argument, but I honestly haven't been everywhere in the world so I can't fairly say anything about that. But insofar as exercise in urban areas is concerned, I think my points are legitimate.
I fully intend before the end of this thread to prove 2 points:
1) That cycling in urban (therefore typically busy areas) is neither smart nor safe.
2) That while there may be some, even many, occasions where one absolutely NEEDS a bike for transportation, a great majority of people who use it for transportation do so with a viable alternative.
Point number 2 is not really important or relevant to this discussion since, as Tim iterated two or three posts ago, we're limiting this discussion to a certain context.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM
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Ummm
28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM
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Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM*
28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM
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Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM*
28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM
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seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM*
28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM
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That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM*
28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM
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Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points.
28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM
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hey now!
28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM
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I understand that what he said offended you
28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM
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You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM*
29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM
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My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM
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Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM
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This point:
28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM
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Not in the United States.
28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM
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Highways are, of course, a different matter.
28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM
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I know
28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM
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It is illegal to drive on the shoulder.
29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM
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i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access
29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM
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Maybe I should have said "modern roads."
28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM
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Perhaps.
28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM
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I think we just disagree on the necessity is all.
28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM
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Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car.
29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM
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The central issue is people.
29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM
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you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads.
29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM
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There are TWO equally important points there:
30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM
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then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM*
01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM
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Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM
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...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM*
30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM
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You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then...
30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM
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My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM*
01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM
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Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses.
01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM
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Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM*
02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM
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Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do.
29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM
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Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist
01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM
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He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM*
01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM
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I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph)
01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM
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Now now, there's no need to be rude.
02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM
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Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude.
04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM
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What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand?
04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM
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What part of my post did you not read...?
05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM
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That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and...
28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM
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Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM
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Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM*
28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM
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In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road
28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM
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Not sure, but
28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM
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Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM*
28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM
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I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding.
29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM
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?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway
29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM
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Should be, but it's not.
29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM
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Question for you.
29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM
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the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical
29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM
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