I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph)
Floffe Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM
The point of my post was not that cyclists should get run over because they're annoying, only that they get run over because they put themselves in stupidly dangerous situations. You know how stupid it is to bike up a hill in a 45mph zone? Cars are driving by at at least 45mph and a bike is hobbling up at what? Maybe 15mph? Any decent human being will watch out for the cyclist going up a hill. They'll just be annoyed that they have to slow down, waste gas, and get to their destination a little later because Lance Wannabe can't take the bus or buy a treadmill. Now this source of annoyance isn't the source of the danger, it's only a SIGN that what Lance Wannabe is doing is DANGEROUS. Why is driver a annoyed? Because he has to put relatively considerable time and focus to looking out for Lance Wannabe (not that there's anything wrong with that, just stating the facts). The reason that he is annoyed is just why it's so dangerous. Because sooner or later, someone is going to make a mistake. Driver x will be talking on the phone, distracted by the kids in the back seat, driving drunk, fall asleep at the wheel, any number of things that can deprive them of the necessary focus to adapt to Lance Wannabe. In a perfect world, every driver could adapt and focus at all times. But humans are not perfect and neither is our world. Cyclists willfully put themselves in dangerous situations, then expect everyone else to adhere to a more perfect standard on their account. This is unfair, and plain stupid.
Get off your bike seat and wake up. You're endangering yourself by cycling in a busy, urban, roadway. That's a fact. Cars will do their best, but you don't own the road. Cars will make mistakes. They will kill you sometimes because either you or they inevitably makes a mistake. Getting mad at us drivers won't solve the problem. Getting on a stationary bike will.
Get off your bike seat and wake up. You're endangering yourself by cycling in a busy, urban, roadway. That's a fact. Cars will do their best, but you don't own the road. Cars will make mistakes. They will kill you sometimes because either you or they inevitably makes a mistake. Getting mad at us drivers won't solve the problem. Getting on a stationary bike will.
Also, a stationary bike will not fit the purpose of transportation.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM
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Ummm
28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM
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Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM*
28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM
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Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM*
28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM
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seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM*
28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM
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That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM*
28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM
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Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points.
28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM
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hey now!
28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM
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I understand that what he said offended you
28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM
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You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM*
29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM
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My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM
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Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM
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This point:
28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM
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Not in the United States.
28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM
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Highways are, of course, a different matter.
28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM
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I know
28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM
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It is illegal to drive on the shoulder.
29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM
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i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access
29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM
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Maybe I should have said "modern roads."
28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM
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Perhaps.
28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM
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I think we just disagree on the necessity is all.
28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM
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Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car.
29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM
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The central issue is people.
29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM
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you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads.
29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM
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There are TWO equally important points there:
30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM
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then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM*
01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM
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Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM
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...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM*
30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM
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You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then...
30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM
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My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM*
01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM
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Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses.
01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM
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Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM*
02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM
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Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do.
29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM
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Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist
01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM
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He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM*
01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM
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I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph)
01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM
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Now now, there's no need to be rude.
02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM
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Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude.
04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM
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That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and...
28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM
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Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM
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Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM*
28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM
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In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road
28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM
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Not sure, but
28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM
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Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM*
28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM
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I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding.
29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM
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?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway
29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM
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Should be, but it's not.
29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM
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Question for you.
29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM
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the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical
29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM
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