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Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM
I do realize that the concept of a road has been around for a while. :P Regardless though, the standard "road" in the US is designed for an automobile. It cannot support cars and bikes both efficiently AND safely. The car either slows down to the speed of the bike for the duration of their similar route, or else one of the parties must exit the given roadway. The bike has to go off the road, possibly hitting rocks, holes, etc, or the car must cross the center lane to whatever extent, risking collision with cars on the other side.

Most modern roads are not designed for bikes, and, thus, it's my opinion that bikes shouldn't travel on those.


The problem is that a bike is MUCH cheaper than a car, so if a person can't afford a car but can afford a bike then they're going to go to work (school, uni, wherever) on that. And they'll have to use the roads that aren't sensible for them.

Completely agree with you about the need for better infrastructure & set up for bikes. I disagree that this means that bikes shouldn't be on the roads that exist. Needs must & all.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Deadsy - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1670 Views
Ummm MalkierKnight - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1291 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 549 Views
Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM 562 Views
seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM 645 Views
LOL bikes? transportation? What?!??! get a car you european *NM* MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:14:58 AM 518 Views
Sorry, but no. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1091 Views
I think you missed the part... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1039 Views
That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM* Tim - 28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM 626 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. Tim - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1411 Views
hey now! LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 946 Views
See apology below. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 569 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 557 Views
I understand that what he said offended you ßelals Girl - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1173 Views
You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM 603 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Aemon - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1044 Views
Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM 1089 Views
If the bike had been invented today, you might be right. Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:08:44 PM 1166 Views
This point: Rebekah - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1148 Views
Not in the United States. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1142 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1098 Views
I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1208 Views
Re: I know Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1064 Views
Re: I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1187 Views
That makes me mad. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1171 Views
Don't be mad Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1009 Views
Re: I know lyringlas - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1153 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 984 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1178 Views
i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM 966 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1152 Views
Perhaps. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1200 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Aemon - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 978 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 989 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1129 Views
The central issue is people. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1109 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1165 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: Joel - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1168 Views
then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM 570 Views
Pardon my saying so, but, no, you did not say that. Joel - 01/07/2010 08:01:10 AM 1130 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Bored - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1119 Views
Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1134 Views
...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM 589 Views
three words: share the road random thoughts - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1157 Views
Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1214 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1314 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1140 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1084 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Deadsy - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1154 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1091 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1167 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1225 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... Tim - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1087 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 895 Views
Have you heard of Britain? Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1129 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 630 Views
Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM 1110 Views
Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM 626 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 719 Views
You do realize that... Jacob - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1123 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1138 Views
heh Deadsy - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1096 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1201 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 994 Views
He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM* Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 583 Views
I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph) Floffe - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM 1042 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. Tim - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1207 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. MalkierKnight - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 995 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1066 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1238 Views
I agree entirely. Camilla - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1247 Views
Really???? Amys - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1121 Views
that's always really annoying LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1274 Views
That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and... Tim - 28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM 1034 Views
mmm maybe...or encourage him to actually hit the next cyclist LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:19:10 PM 992 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Macharius - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 950 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 532 Views
I doubt it. *NM* Macharius - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 478 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time random thoughts - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1096 Views
In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road Floffe - 28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM 993 Views
True, those aren't really what I'd call sidewalks though. *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:07:15 PM 646 Views
Not sure, but BlackAdder - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 996 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1130 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1015 Views
I would Deadsy - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1010 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. Sareitha Sedai - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 991 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 912 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 972 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? Bored - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1003 Views
That sucks random thoughts - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 945 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1067 Views
Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM* Panorphaeon - 28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM 600 Views
that's because the central issues is not bike-friendly-ness. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:11:56 AM 981 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1127 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1078 Views
Should be, but it's not. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1073 Views
Question for you. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 920 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical random thoughts - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 984 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 954 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 599 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1160 Views
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