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Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM
I do realize that the concept of a road has been around for a while. :P Regardless though, the standard "road" in the US is designed for an automobile. It cannot support cars and bikes both efficiently AND safely. The car either slows down to the speed of the bike for the duration of their similar route, or else one of the parties must exit the given roadway. The bike has to go off the road, possibly hitting rocks, holes, etc, or the car must cross the center lane to whatever extent, risking collision with cars on the other side.

Most modern roads are not designed for bikes, and, thus, it's my opinion that bikes shouldn't travel on those.


The problem is that a bike is MUCH cheaper than a car, so if a person can't afford a car but can afford a bike then they're going to go to work (school, uni, wherever) on that. And they'll have to use the roads that aren't sensible for them.

Completely agree with you about the need for better infrastructure & set up for bikes. I disagree that this means that bikes shouldn't be on the roads that exist. Needs must & all.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Deadsy - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1662 Views
Ummm MalkierKnight - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1278 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 546 Views
Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM 559 Views
seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM 642 Views
LOL bikes? transportation? What?!??! get a car you european *NM* MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:14:58 AM 514 Views
Sorry, but no. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1079 Views
I think you missed the part... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1029 Views
That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM* Tim - 28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM 622 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. Tim - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1401 Views
hey now! LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 935 Views
See apology below. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 566 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 553 Views
I understand that what he said offended you ßelals Girl - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1163 Views
You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM 600 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Aemon - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1035 Views
Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM 1081 Views
If the bike had been invented today, you might be right. Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:08:44 PM 1155 Views
This point: Rebekah - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1140 Views
Not in the United States. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1130 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1088 Views
I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1198 Views
Re: I know Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1051 Views
Re: I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1178 Views
That makes me mad. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1161 Views
Don't be mad Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 998 Views
Re: I know lyringlas - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1139 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 971 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1169 Views
i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM 957 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1142 Views
Perhaps. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1193 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Aemon - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 965 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 978 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1118 Views
The central issue is people. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1097 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1155 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: Joel - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1157 Views
then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM 567 Views
Pardon my saying so, but, no, you did not say that. Joel - 01/07/2010 08:01:10 AM 1120 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Bored - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1104 Views
Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1127 Views
...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM 584 Views
three words: share the road random thoughts - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1148 Views
Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1200 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1303 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1132 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1067 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Deadsy - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1143 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1083 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1157 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1214 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... Tim - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1078 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 883 Views
Have you heard of Britain? Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1115 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 628 Views
Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM 1103 Views
Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM 623 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 715 Views
You do realize that... Jacob - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1109 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1126 Views
heh Deadsy - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1085 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1186 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 982 Views
He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM* Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 579 Views
I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph) Floffe - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM 1030 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. Tim - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1200 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. MalkierKnight - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 982 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1054 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1225 Views
I agree entirely. Camilla - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1236 Views
Really???? Amys - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1110 Views
that's always really annoying LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1260 Views
That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and... Tim - 28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM 1021 Views
mmm maybe...or encourage him to actually hit the next cyclist LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:19:10 PM 982 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Macharius - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 940 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 527 Views
I doubt it. *NM* Macharius - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 475 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time random thoughts - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1087 Views
In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road Floffe - 28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM 981 Views
True, those aren't really what I'd call sidewalks though. *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:07:15 PM 639 Views
Not sure, but BlackAdder - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 986 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1117 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 999 Views
I would Deadsy - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 997 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. Sareitha Sedai - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 978 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 900 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 955 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? Bored - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 994 Views
That sucks random thoughts - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 933 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1052 Views
Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM* Panorphaeon - 28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM 598 Views
that's because the central issues is not bike-friendly-ness. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:11:56 AM 969 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1115 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1067 Views
Should be, but it's not. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1059 Views
Question for you. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 908 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical random thoughts - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 972 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 941 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 596 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1145 Views
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