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To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM
but riding where it's unsafe and then blaming drivers when they get hurt is not a sensible thing to do.


Exactly where is it unsafe to ride? Large roads here in Columbus, that have share the road signs everywhere are still some of the areas with the biggest cases of bikers being injured. My friend was biking, legally, on a major road (as in, it isn't a side street and still is 25-35 mph, as opposed to major and being 55 mph) and she was hit by a guy turning left from the perpendicular road. The man that hit her was A) not paying attention to oncoming traffic, B) was on his cell phone, and C) blamed her for the accident.

My friend had the legal right-of-way to turn, her light was green, she had bike lights on both the front and back of her bike. She now has one hand shorter than the other by a quarter of an inch, due to bone compaction, she had 2 screws permanently in her right hand, and she had to have pins hold her finger bones in 3 fingers together for 2.5 months.

Most bicyclists are conscious of the car traffic, because they don't want to die. But even with your ideals of "increased infrastructure" I don't think it will make it any easier for cyclists to avoid being hit. The bike lanes here are in between the main road lanes and the turning lane, so there is lots of weaving of traffic in and out of the bike lanes, which can cause some hefty accidents. Even the bike lanes in New York City are disliked because of the safety concerns.

Drivers here in America are not taught proper procedures/etiquette in dealing with cyclists whatsoever. The main problems derive from the fact that we refuse to be inconvenienced. Anything, no matter what it is, no matter how beneficial it might be, is scrutinized it is causes the minutest bit of extra effort on the part of Americans. We, as a nation, are extremely, extremely lazy, rude, and selfish; it's disgusting.


P.S. re: "bikers shouldn't cycle if the city doesn't have the infrastructure installed to facilitate doing so." Please tell me, exactly what city do you know of that would spend the money of taxpayers on a whim? Why in the hell would bike lanes go in if the user-base wasn't already there in existence, demanding them? Like's like going into Texas to some gas-guzzling suburbs and putting in a battery-exchange-drive-thru for electric cars; because, you know, if you build it they will come.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1670 Views
Ummm - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1290 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 549 Views
Sorry, but no. - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1091 Views
I think you missed the part... - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1037 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1411 Views
hey now! - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 945 Views
See apology below. *NM* - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 568 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 556 Views
I understand that what he said offended you - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1173 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1043 Views
This point: - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1148 Views
Not in the United States. - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1142 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1098 Views
I know - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1207 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1063 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1187 Views
That makes me mad. - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1171 Views
Don't be mad - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1009 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1152 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 984 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1177 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1152 Views
Perhaps. - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1199 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 977 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 989 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1128 Views
The central issue is people. - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1108 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1164 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1167 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1119 Views
Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1133 Views
three words: share the road - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1157 Views
Re: three words: share the road - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1213 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1313 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1139 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1083 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1154 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1091 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1166 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1224 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1086 Views
Really? - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 894 Views
Have you heard of Britain? - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1128 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 630 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 719 Views
You do realize that... - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1121 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1137 Views
heh - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1096 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1200 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 993 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1207 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 994 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1066 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1238 Views
I agree entirely. - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1246 Views
Really???? - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1120 Views
that's always really annoying - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1273 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 949 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 531 Views
I doubt it. *NM* - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 478 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1096 Views
Not sure, but - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 996 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1130 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1014 Views
I would - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1010 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 990 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 912 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 971 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1002 Views
That sucks - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 945 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1066 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1126 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1077 Views
Should be, but it's not. - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1072 Views
Question for you. - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 919 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 953 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 598 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1160 Views

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