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The central issue is people. Joel Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM
Your health is very much in danger.

Snarky comment aside, I think you're under a bit of delusion if you think cities are going to just magically build bike paths (it'll be SAFER!!), particularly since bike paths really don't make things much safer (They're right where a bike should be riding ANYWAYS).

If you can't ride on the road, don't. I totally agree that a cyclist IS safer off the road (although the pedestrians they're riding with aren't!), but there are significant problems with riding on the sidewalk as well. I can't tell you how many times I've honked my horn as I approached a pedestrian walking or jogging, and shocked the hell out of them as I politely went on the grass to go around them...because they had their iPods in their ears blaring and couldn't hear me. A few months ago, I was riding home from classes in the dark and I almost hit someone because my town isn't well lit, and they were a black person in dark clothing. On the Road, we're too slow. On the sidewalk, we're too fast.

What would you have a cyclist do, particularly in towns where they are not allowed to ride on the sidewalk? Simply not ride their bikes anywhere at all? How will that encourage legislatures to fund improved infrastructure?

Bike lanes would be nice, but that is not the reality that people have to work with most of the time. And even with bike lanes, cars would still need to pay attention and respect the biker's space, which remains as a central issue to cyclists in general.

So pretty much, with your opinions of cycling, the only GOOD option is to simply not cycle at all and either walk (Extending your travel time by at least double, making it implausible for people living over a certain distance from their destinations), or pay for a car/bus. Oh, and I'd like to also point out, that there are many small towns and cities that don't have public transport. I know my college town doesn't.

So what would you have them do?


Addendum: I just would like to say, a lot of my opinion on whether drivers will be aware is actually based on my experiences riding a moped on the street. DESPITE the fact that I was a motorized vehicle going the speed limit (in our town, most of the streets are only 30 mph), if not over, I was continuously treated like I did not belong on the road and had to save myself from accidents frequently due to driver's being unaware. I have a strong feeling that any motorbiker you talked to would mention some of the same problems that cyclists do. I don't disagree with some of your points, but infrastructure would not affect the problems. Despite problems elsewhere, the central issue is the drivers.

Which, unsurprisingly, is also what makes for most jerks; being in a car just isolates jerks from the consequences of the behavior it thus encourages. It's hard to retaliate against someone encased in metal, and he knows it. On the other hand, I still remember walking home the five blocks from school, in the pouring rain, and being literally ridden down by a classmate crusing home on a bike. He probably didn't see me in the rain, but that's not really the point: We were in a residential neighborhood and if he was going to ride he should've been doing so in the 30 mph street rather than on the sidewalk where it was illegal. I'm sorry, if you can't get within at least ten miles per hour of the speed limit on a fairly consistent basis, get the hell off the road, and I don't mean "operate your vehicle on the shoulder where it's illegal to operate a vehicle for extended periods. " We DO need more bike lanes; we also need laws that say if there isn't a bike lane it's not legal to operate a bike there. I'm tired of seeing bicyclists riding next to each other on the shoulders of 60+ mph highways and then blaming drivers when one of them is killed. And, yes, I think a 200 pound human on a 50 lb. bike is as much of a hazard to a car as a small deer.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1662 Views
Ummm - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1278 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 546 Views
Sorry, but no. - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1079 Views
I think you missed the part... - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1029 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1401 Views
hey now! - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 935 Views
See apology below. *NM* - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 566 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 553 Views
I understand that what he said offended you - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1163 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1035 Views
This point: - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1140 Views
Not in the United States. - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1130 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1088 Views
I know - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1198 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1051 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1178 Views
That makes me mad. - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1161 Views
Don't be mad - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 998 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1139 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 971 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1169 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1142 Views
Perhaps. - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1193 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 965 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 978 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1118 Views
The central issue is people. - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1097 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1155 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1157 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1104 Views
Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1126 Views
three words: share the road - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1148 Views
Re: three words: share the road - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1200 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1303 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1132 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1067 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1143 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1082 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1157 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1214 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1078 Views
Really? - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 883 Views
Have you heard of Britain? - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1115 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 628 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 715 Views
You do realize that... - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1109 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1126 Views
heh - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1085 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1186 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 982 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1199 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 982 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1054 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1225 Views
I agree entirely. - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1236 Views
Really???? - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1110 Views
that's always really annoying - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1260 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 940 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 527 Views
I doubt it. *NM* - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 475 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1087 Views
Not sure, but - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 985 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1117 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 999 Views
I would - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 997 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 978 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 900 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 955 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 994 Views
That sucks - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 933 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1052 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1115 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1067 Views
Should be, but it's not. - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1059 Views
Question for you. - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 908 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 941 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 596 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1145 Views

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