I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding.
Joel Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM
Because, lemme tell ya, when I'm driving to and from work on roads where the speed limit is either 60 or 65 mph and having to watch carefully to avoid literally DOZENS of bicyclists, it annoys the hell out of me. Just the other morning I was coming home at around 430 AM and right as I reached the intersection of [60 mph Farm to Market road] and [65 mph State Hwy] I had to stop for a red light. Not so, apparently, for the two bicyclists who rode the length of the first road on the shoulder before slooowly rolling out into the intersection as they repeatedly glanced both ways for traffic approaching the green light (probably at a speed of 70 mph or more, downhill and coming out of a curve) and nonchalantly ran the light. In the dark, no less. It's right up there with the packs of bicyclists riding those same roads side by side on the shoulder: 1) It's illegal to drive on the shoulder and 2) when you insist on riding abreast it means I have to either get over a lane (when that's possible) or cruise my ton of 65 mph steel by you a lot more closely than either of us would like. So, to a point, I hear what MK and others are saying. A few years ago, last time I took defensive driving, the guy teaching the class spoke about driving a VERY high traffic state highway where the speed limit is about 60, only to have to evade bicyclists riding in a pack and taking up THE ENTIRE RIGHT LANE. Freakin' bike convoy doing half the posted speed limit on half the road: Please try not to get too upset with the person who inevitably kills several of you (surprising how often that happens in this bike crazy town. ) It's sad that down in Houston they actually have to put up SIGNS on the FREEWAYS saying bikes are prohibited by law, but I see why they do. Impeding the flow of traffic is such a bad idea they made it illegal, folks.
Yet this was not your situation, not at all. You weren't one of those idiots riding in packs of a dozen down interstates and state highways. You were in a residential neighborhood; it's quite likely if you'd been traveling as fast as you could on your bike you would've been SPEEDING. Maybe since "it was late" and there was no one else around the guy DID think he had the "right" to speed a little, but a passing cop would probably have disagreed, and the fact darkness reduced visibility of things like bicyclists, children and animals is one reason why the limit is so low there. Maybe he thought you should've been on the sidewalk, but, as you say, the law also disagrees with him there: A bicycle is a vehicle, and it's required to travel on the street, not the sidewalk. I'm not going to lie and say I've never gotten annoyed by a bicylist on a downtown or residential street--but I recognize that that's MY problem, because they have not only the right but, as long as they're on a bike, the RESPONSIBILITY to be there.
So, yeah, in your situation I'd have been tempted to get his plate number and report him to the cops; sorry you had to put up with that.
Yet this was not your situation, not at all. You weren't one of those idiots riding in packs of a dozen down interstates and state highways. You were in a residential neighborhood; it's quite likely if you'd been traveling as fast as you could on your bike you would've been SPEEDING. Maybe since "it was late" and there was no one else around the guy DID think he had the "right" to speed a little, but a passing cop would probably have disagreed, and the fact darkness reduced visibility of things like bicyclists, children and animals is one reason why the limit is so low there. Maybe he thought you should've been on the sidewalk, but, as you say, the law also disagrees with him there: A bicycle is a vehicle, and it's required to travel on the street, not the sidewalk. I'm not going to lie and say I've never gotten annoyed by a bicylist on a downtown or residential street--but I recognize that that's MY problem, because they have not only the right but, as long as they're on a bike, the RESPONSIBILITY to be there.
So, yeah, in your situation I'd have been tempted to get his plate number and report him to the cops; sorry you had to put up with that.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM
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Ummm
28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM
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Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM*
28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM
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Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM*
28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM
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seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM*
28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM
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That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM*
28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM
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Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points.
28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM
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hey now!
28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM
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I understand that what he said offended you
28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM
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You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM*
29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM
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My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM
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Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK.
28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM
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This point:
28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM
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Not in the United States.
28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM
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Highways are, of course, a different matter.
28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM
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I know
28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM
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Re: I know
28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM
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It is illegal to drive on the shoulder.
29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM
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i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access
29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM
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Maybe I should have said "modern roads."
28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM
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Perhaps.
28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM
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I think we just disagree on the necessity is all.
28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM
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Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car.
29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM
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The central issue is people.
29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM
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you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads.
29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM
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There are TWO equally important points there:
30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM
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then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM*
01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM
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Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM
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...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM*
30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM
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Re: Two words: Public Transportation
01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM
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You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then...
30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM
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My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM*
01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM
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Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses.
01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM
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Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM*
02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM
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Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do.
29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM
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Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist
01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM
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He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM*
01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM
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I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph)
01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM
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Now now, there's no need to be rude.
02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM
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Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude.
04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM
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That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and...
28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM
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Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today
28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM
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Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM*
28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM
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In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road
28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM
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Not sure, but
28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM
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Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM*
28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM
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I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding.
29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM
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?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway
29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM
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Should be, but it's not.
29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM
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Question for you.
29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM
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the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical
29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM
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