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Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM
Your health is very much in danger.

Snarky comment aside, I think you're under a bit of delusion if you think cities are going to just magically build bike paths (it'll be SAFER!!), particularly since bike paths really don't make things much safer (They're right where a bike should be riding ANYWAYS).

If you can't ride on the road, don't. I totally agree that a cyclist IS safer off the road (although the pedestrians they're riding with aren't!), but there are significant problems with riding on the sidewalk as well. I can't tell you how many times I've honked my horn as I approached a pedestrian walking or jogging, and shocked the hell out of them as I politely went on the grass to go around them...because they had their iPods in their ears blaring and couldn't hear me. A few months ago, I was riding home from classes in the dark and I almost hit someone because my town isn't well lit, and they were a black person in dark clothing. On the Road, we're too slow. On the sidewalk, we're too fast.

What would you have a cyclist do, particularly in towns where they are not allowed to ride on the sidewalk? Simply not ride their bikes anywhere at all? How will that encourage legislatures to fund improved infrastructure?

Bike lanes would be nice, but that is not the reality that people have to work with most of the time. And even with bike lanes, cars would still need to pay attention and respect the biker's space, which remains as a central issue to cyclists in general.

So pretty much, with your opinions of cycling, the only GOOD option is to simply not cycle at all and either walk (Extending your travel time by at least double, making it implausible for people living over a certain distance from their destinations), or pay for a car/bus. Oh, and I'd like to also point out, that there are many small towns and cities that don't have public transport. I know my college town doesn't.

So what would you have them do?


Addendum: I just would like to say, a lot of my opinion on whether drivers will be aware is actually based on my experiences riding a moped on the street. DESPITE the fact that I was a motorized vehicle going the speed limit (in our town, most of the streets are only 30 mph), if not over, I was continuously treated like I did not belong on the road and had to save myself from accidents frequently due to driver's being unaware. I have a strong feeling that any motorbiker you talked to would mention some of the same problems that cyclists do. I don't disagree with some of your points, but infrastructure would not affect the problems. Despite problems elsewhere, the central issue is the drivers.
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This message last edited by LadyLorraine on 29/06/2010 at 01:15:34 AM
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This point: - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1222 Views
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you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1237 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1233 Views
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Really???? - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1189 Views
that's always really annoying - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1346 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 1006 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 557 Views
I doubt it. *NM* - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 501 Views
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I would - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1073 Views
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Question for you. - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 985 Views
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That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 622 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1229 Views

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