What a way to conflate history into a mess that means absolutely nothing. Essentially, what you just said was that every fictitious tribe in the Bible is an Arab to the Jews. That is patently absurd. You then said that this "historical" record of conflict is the reason for the Arab-Israeli conflict. It isn't. It's because of the other things written in the Bible, the "I give this land to you" language. The land was supposedly in the hands of several fictitious groups and some that were probably historic, but none of them were Arabs, and none were people we would recognize as "Palestinian".
Jews lived in Egypt calmly, peacefully and happily for millennia and recited every Passover "remember that you were slaves in the land of Egypt" without hating their neighbors.
The Jews lay claim to the land of Canaan and have continuously for thousands of years. THAT is part of their religious understanding of who they are as a nation, something that is burned into their consciousness. HOWEVER, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FIGHTING THE ARABS FOR MILLENNIA. This conflict is purely recent. How many ways do I need to say this for you to get it? Maybe I should get out sock puppets?
Jews lived in Egypt calmly, peacefully and happily for millennia and recited every Passover "remember that you were slaves in the land of Egypt" without hating their neighbors.
The Jews lay claim to the land of Canaan and have continuously for thousands of years. THAT is part of their religious understanding of who they are as a nation, something that is burned into their consciousness. HOWEVER, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FIGHTING THE ARABS FOR MILLENNIA. This conflict is purely recent. How many ways do I need to say this for you to get it? Maybe I should get out sock puppets?
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Jacqueline Rose on the Dreyfus affair and related problems, in the LRB
06/06/2010 11:28:14 AM
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*remains amused at the suggestion of the Dreyfus Affairs "pertinence" to "current" events*
06/06/2010 05:14:23 PM
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I agree in part and (strongly) disagree in part.
06/06/2010 05:40:26 PM
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"If it's an eternal struggle, how could there ever be a solution or a peace?"
06/06/2010 06:20:39 PM
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Purim may or may not refer to a historic event. Even if it does, Haman was not likely an Arab.
07/06/2010 12:00:05 AM
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I second your main point.
07/06/2010 12:09:42 AM
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I don't discount that there is Arab blood in many or even most "Arabs".
07/06/2010 12:18:32 AM
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The holiday is centuries old and real, regardless.
07/06/2010 12:28:59 AM
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You're still missing the major point here.
07/06/2010 12:44:08 AM
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That seems a rather limited view of history.
07/06/2010 01:10:11 AM
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What the Hell are you going on about?
07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM
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I (coincidentally) stumbled across those infamous hadith passages about Jews the other day.
07/06/2010 09:41:39 AM
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So?
07/06/2010 10:50:49 PM
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are you claiming that people would pull some things out of holy text and ignore the rest?
08/06/2010 12:16:41 PM
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well, for me this just proves why we are not supposed to live among non-Jews
06/06/2010 11:39:45 PM
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couldn't get past the part where anyone who opposes Obama is a racist *NM*
08/06/2010 01:40:07 AM
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You hallucinated? *NM*
08/06/2010 08:39:37 AM
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No, that would've been one of the places where she should've shut up. *NM*
08/06/2010 08:58:11 AM
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No
08/06/2010 09:08:04 AM
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I think he's not talking about that bit, but about the very first paragraph.
08/06/2010 09:30:21 AM
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If there was more I didn't get far enough to hear it
08/06/2010 12:09:47 PM
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That's the problem with the speech - the large majority of what she had to say was worthwhile.
08/06/2010 01:15:39 PM
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