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What the Hell are you going on about? Tom Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM
What a way to conflate history into a mess that means absolutely nothing. Essentially, what you just said was that every fictitious tribe in the Bible is an Arab to the Jews. That is patently absurd. You then said that this "historical" record of conflict is the reason for the Arab-Israeli conflict. It isn't. It's because of the other things written in the Bible, the "I give this land to you" language. The land was supposedly in the hands of several fictitious groups and some that were probably historic, but none of them were Arabs, and none were people we would recognize as "Palestinian".

Jews lived in Egypt calmly, peacefully and happily for millennia and recited every Passover "remember that you were slaves in the land of Egypt" without hating their neighbors.

The Jews lay claim to the land of Canaan and have continuously for thousands of years. THAT is part of their religious understanding of who they are as a nation, something that is burned into their consciousness. HOWEVER, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FIGHTING THE ARABS FOR MILLENNIA. This conflict is purely recent. How many ways do I need to say this for you to get it? Maybe I should get out sock puppets?
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Jacqueline Rose on the Dreyfus affair and related problems, in the LRB - 06/06/2010 11:28:14 AM 1138 Views
What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:48:16 PM 926 Views
Re: What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:56:32 PM 850 Views
*remains amused at the suggestion of the Dreyfus Affairs "pertinence" to "current" events* - 06/06/2010 05:14:23 PM 865 Views
I agree in part and (strongly) disagree in part. - 06/06/2010 05:40:26 PM 832 Views
"If it's an eternal struggle, how could there ever be a solution or a peace?" - 06/06/2010 06:20:39 PM 895 Views
Purim may or may not refer to a historic event. Even if it does, Haman was not likely an Arab. - 07/06/2010 12:00:05 AM 747 Views
I second your main point. - 07/06/2010 12:09:42 AM 762 Views
I don't discount that there is Arab blood in many or even most "Arabs". - 07/06/2010 12:18:32 AM 747 Views
Okay, fair enough then. *NM* - 07/06/2010 08:45:19 AM 330 Views
The holiday is centuries old and real, regardless. - 07/06/2010 12:28:59 AM 836 Views
You're still missing the major point here. - 07/06/2010 12:44:08 AM 751 Views
That seems a rather limited view of history. - 07/06/2010 01:10:11 AM 849 Views
What the Hell are you going on about? - 07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM 813 Views
Oooh - 07/06/2010 11:07:43 AM 652 Views
Yeah, to whom was the claim on that land given? - 07/06/2010 10:35:42 PM 772 Views
jeez Joel... - 07/06/2010 04:24:47 AM 789 Views
No, the Persians are not Arabs. - 07/06/2010 10:09:47 PM 924 Views
I (coincidentally) stumbled across those infamous hadith passages about Jews the other day. - 07/06/2010 09:41:39 AM 837 Views
So? - 07/06/2010 10:50:49 PM 815 Views
So the relevance of apocalyptic passages is close to zero. - 07/06/2010 11:55:05 PM 776 Views
Not to mention - 08/06/2010 09:09:27 AM 682 Views
Then why are they canon? - 08/06/2010 06:25:09 PM 980 Views
are you claiming that people would pull some things out of holy text and ignore the rest? - 08/06/2010 12:16:41 PM 835 Views
*NM* - 08/06/2010 01:16:13 PM 323 Views
well, for me this just proves why we are not supposed to live among non-Jews - 06/06/2010 11:39:45 PM 932 Views
how so? - 06/06/2010 11:41:18 PM 699 Views
It reminds me of what I kept thinking as I read it. - 07/06/2010 12:51:36 AM 728 Views
couldn't get past the part where anyone who opposes Obama is a racist *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:40:07 AM 501 Views
You hallucinated? *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:39:37 AM 374 Views
No, that would've been one of the places where she should've shut up. *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:58:11 AM 310 Views
No - 08/06/2010 09:08:04 AM 713 Views
I think he's not talking about that bit, but about the very first paragraph. - 08/06/2010 09:30:21 AM 848 Views
If there was more I didn't get far enough to hear it - 08/06/2010 12:09:47 PM 700 Views
That's the problem with the speech - the large majority of what she had to say was worthwhile. - 08/06/2010 01:15:39 PM 754 Views
The problem is blatant bias - 08/06/2010 02:24:57 PM 740 Views

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