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You're still missing the major point here. Tom Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 12:44:08 AM
Regardless of whether Purim was a silly myth or not, there was no "Israeli-Arab" conflict of the sort that you propose.

No, the interesting thing is that the majority of anti-Jewish sentiment, prior to the latter half of the Twentieth Century, came from WHITE CHRISTIANS IN EUROPE. Jews were protected in al-Andalus, they were protected in Jerusalem under the Muslims, they were protected by the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire and they were protected by the Shahs of Persia.

Jews lived in peace in Baghdad, and Basra, and Tehran, and Shiraz, and Damascus, and the cities of Morocco, and Jerusalem, and Granada.

Yes, they had to pay taxes as dhimmis. However, they weren't murdered on a regular basis the way they were in Europe. They weren't deported en masse like they were from Spain and England. They weren't burned and attacked like they were in Germany, and France, and Italy. They weren't systematically deprived of any means of working the land, attending institutions of higher education or advancing themselves like they were all over Europe. They weren't slaughtered in pogroms, they weren't killed in death camps and they weren't forced to live in ghettos or shtetls.

Up until the time that militant Zionist settlers arrived in British Mandate Palestine in the 20th Century, there was really virtually no Jew-Arab hostility, and there hadn't been since the establishment of Islam. Some issues can be raised about the last days of Muslim Spain and the Nineteenth Century in the Ottoman Empire, but the problem there is more one of a degeneration of public order generally.

As a result, the problem is, really, a new one.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Jacqueline Rose on the Dreyfus affair and related problems, in the LRB - 06/06/2010 11:28:14 AM 1138 Views
What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:48:16 PM 926 Views
Re: What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:56:32 PM 850 Views
*remains amused at the suggestion of the Dreyfus Affairs "pertinence" to "current" events* - 06/06/2010 05:14:23 PM 865 Views
I agree in part and (strongly) disagree in part. - 06/06/2010 05:40:26 PM 832 Views
"If it's an eternal struggle, how could there ever be a solution or a peace?" - 06/06/2010 06:20:39 PM 895 Views
Purim may or may not refer to a historic event. Even if it does, Haman was not likely an Arab. - 07/06/2010 12:00:05 AM 746 Views
I second your main point. - 07/06/2010 12:09:42 AM 761 Views
I don't discount that there is Arab blood in many or even most "Arabs". - 07/06/2010 12:18:32 AM 747 Views
Okay, fair enough then. *NM* - 07/06/2010 08:45:19 AM 330 Views
The holiday is centuries old and real, regardless. - 07/06/2010 12:28:59 AM 836 Views
You're still missing the major point here. - 07/06/2010 12:44:08 AM 751 Views
That seems a rather limited view of history. - 07/06/2010 01:10:11 AM 849 Views
What the Hell are you going on about? - 07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM 812 Views
Oooh - 07/06/2010 11:07:43 AM 652 Views
Yeah, to whom was the claim on that land given? - 07/06/2010 10:35:42 PM 772 Views
jeez Joel... - 07/06/2010 04:24:47 AM 789 Views
No, the Persians are not Arabs. - 07/06/2010 10:09:47 PM 923 Views
I (coincidentally) stumbled across those infamous hadith passages about Jews the other day. - 07/06/2010 09:41:39 AM 836 Views
So? - 07/06/2010 10:50:49 PM 814 Views
So the relevance of apocalyptic passages is close to zero. - 07/06/2010 11:55:05 PM 776 Views
Not to mention - 08/06/2010 09:09:27 AM 682 Views
Then why are they canon? - 08/06/2010 06:25:09 PM 980 Views
are you claiming that people would pull some things out of holy text and ignore the rest? - 08/06/2010 12:16:41 PM 834 Views
*NM* - 08/06/2010 01:16:13 PM 323 Views
well, for me this just proves why we are not supposed to live among non-Jews - 06/06/2010 11:39:45 PM 931 Views
how so? - 06/06/2010 11:41:18 PM 699 Views
It reminds me of what I kept thinking as I read it. - 07/06/2010 12:51:36 AM 728 Views
couldn't get past the part where anyone who opposes Obama is a racist *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:40:07 AM 501 Views
You hallucinated? *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:39:37 AM 373 Views
No, that would've been one of the places where she should've shut up. *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:58:11 AM 310 Views
No - 08/06/2010 09:08:04 AM 713 Views
I think he's not talking about that bit, but about the very first paragraph. - 08/06/2010 09:30:21 AM 847 Views
If there was more I didn't get far enough to hear it - 08/06/2010 12:09:47 PM 700 Views
That's the problem with the speech - the large majority of what she had to say was worthwhile. - 08/06/2010 01:15:39 PM 753 Views
The problem is blatant bias - 08/06/2010 02:24:57 PM 740 Views

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