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*remains amused at the suggestion of the Dreyfus Affairs "pertinence" to "current" events* Joel Send a noteboard - 06/06/2010 05:14:23 PM
Though I suppose it is, it just seems odd given how long ago it was. It actually touches on the issue that I think is too often ignored in European discussions of Israel and Palestine: I still think the whole reason modern Israel exists has less to do with Zionist conspiracies and more to do with an attempt to export "the Jewish Question" and be rid of it once and for all. Of course, when European nations and nationals decide to weigh in on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict they aren't really rid of it at all, are they? ;) There seems to be some trouble recognizing the root problem: An attempt to expiate guilt over anti-semitism by simply exporting all the Jews to a recreated Israel created new guilt for having displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians already living there. But having "done right" by the Jews it seems like many people are willing to completely ignore their own nations role in recreating Israel as they criticize what Israel subsequently did. Meanwhile the same parochial patronizing attitudes that caused intervention (and hence a lot of current problems) continues apace.

All of which leads me back to my own old view: Neither Europe nor the US is responsible for the millennia of conflict between Jews and Arabs, or Israelis and Palestinians, it's not our responsibility to resolve it and we keep getting a mountain of grief for trying, so why not just get the hell out and let them go back to happily killing each other like they've been doing since before any of our native countries existed?
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Jacqueline Rose on the Dreyfus affair and related problems, in the LRB - 06/06/2010 11:28:14 AM 1069 Views
What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:48:16 PM 860 Views
Re: What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:56:32 PM 786 Views
*remains amused at the suggestion of the Dreyfus Affairs "pertinence" to "current" events* - 06/06/2010 05:14:23 PM 788 Views
I agree in part and (strongly) disagree in part. - 06/06/2010 05:40:26 PM 764 Views
"If it's an eternal struggle, how could there ever be a solution or a peace?" - 06/06/2010 06:20:39 PM 825 Views
Purim may or may not refer to a historic event. Even if it does, Haman was not likely an Arab. - 07/06/2010 12:00:05 AM 678 Views
I second your main point. - 07/06/2010 12:09:42 AM 686 Views
I don't discount that there is Arab blood in many or even most "Arabs". - 07/06/2010 12:18:32 AM 678 Views
Okay, fair enough then. *NM* - 07/06/2010 08:45:19 AM 300 Views
The holiday is centuries old and real, regardless. - 07/06/2010 12:28:59 AM 765 Views
You're still missing the major point here. - 07/06/2010 12:44:08 AM 674 Views
That seems a rather limited view of history. - 07/06/2010 01:10:11 AM 778 Views
What the Hell are you going on about? - 07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM 731 Views
Oooh - 07/06/2010 11:07:43 AM 597 Views
Yeah, to whom was the claim on that land given? - 07/06/2010 10:35:42 PM 727 Views
jeez Joel... - 07/06/2010 04:24:47 AM 714 Views
No, the Persians are not Arabs. - 07/06/2010 10:09:47 PM 843 Views
I (coincidentally) stumbled across those infamous hadith passages about Jews the other day. - 07/06/2010 09:41:39 AM 759 Views
So? - 07/06/2010 10:50:49 PM 748 Views
So the relevance of apocalyptic passages is close to zero. - 07/06/2010 11:55:05 PM 707 Views
Not to mention - 08/06/2010 09:09:27 AM 645 Views
Then why are they canon? - 08/06/2010 06:25:09 PM 896 Views
are you claiming that people would pull some things out of holy text and ignore the rest? - 08/06/2010 12:16:41 PM 778 Views
*NM* - 08/06/2010 01:16:13 PM 295 Views
well, for me this just proves why we are not supposed to live among non-Jews - 06/06/2010 11:39:45 PM 859 Views
how so? - 06/06/2010 11:41:18 PM 636 Views
It reminds me of what I kept thinking as I read it. - 07/06/2010 12:51:36 AM 660 Views
couldn't get past the part where anyone who opposes Obama is a racist *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:40:07 AM 470 Views
You hallucinated? *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:39:37 AM 347 Views
No, that would've been one of the places where she should've shut up. *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:58:11 AM 283 Views
No - 08/06/2010 09:08:04 AM 641 Views
I think he's not talking about that bit, but about the very first paragraph. - 08/06/2010 09:30:21 AM 767 Views
If there was more I didn't get far enough to hear it - 08/06/2010 12:09:47 PM 628 Views
That's the problem with the speech - the large majority of what she had to say was worthwhile. - 08/06/2010 01:15:39 PM 692 Views
The problem is blatant bias - 08/06/2010 02:24:57 PM 670 Views

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